Question for Cal LEOs

[CBR_rider]

I don't know what Maine's laws are and I don't know what the officer saw/other subject did prior to the tape rolling. Therefore, I 'unno.

[Patrick Aherne]

I guess my post got canked. Too much truth in it.

[hitman13]

Yeah, same here.....

[Mr.Matt]

Difference between brandishing and carrying. Carrying is your right per 2a.

Brandishing is asking for trouble.

[Eikbyrnir]

I don't think this is a good question for Cal LEOs. Since it is mostly illegal and how hard it is to get a CCW, any Cal LEO is going to detain that individual and investigate. We don't know Maine's laws, at least I myself don't. Can they open carry with ammo in the weapon? If they can't open carry loaded, then I believe the LEO was in his right to take the gun and function check/check if loaded. Though detaining further it gets iffy.

It seems in Maine its as legal to walk open carry as it is to walk down the sidewalk in California. Would you stop someone for just walking down the side walk? If there was a 911 call and the caller said, "someone is walking down the sidewalk in my neighborhood." No more, no less, would you stop and investigate them?

LEOs have to walk a very fine line right now, they have been dealing with mass shootings, ambushes and regular shootings a lot more it seems. While they don't want to violate a person's rights, they don't want to see another shooting spree like Dorner, Sandy Hook, or any other recent or past tragedy.

This can go back and forth about whether the officer had reasonable suspicion or not. What if the officer in the video was able to articulate what his reasonable suspicion was in a manner that made you say, "Okay, I can see what you mean." Now what? Then that mean's he DID have reasonable suspicion for a detention. No matter what you or I think, yes or no, a jury, a judge or a reasonable person most likely would side with that officer. That would be up for the court to decide though.

The thing to think about now though, this video-lawyer spouts Terry v. Ohio. We know in Terry that the officer observed the suspect in a neighborhood commercial area casing a store. We know the rest. Now lately we have had countless shootings in neighborhoods, schools, malls and movie theaters. All varieties of weapons have been used. ARs, handguns and so on. Is it reasonable to think that a person carrying a weapon, getting a response from others in the area, may want to hurt people around him? Is it enough for reasonable suspicion now? I can't say yes or no, maybe there needs to be more to it, maybe not.

I support 2A rights with all my heart, but I think these people baiting cops to "test" their 2A knowledge is hurting the cause. It makes gun owner's look bad and it either show's the cop in a bad light, or the carrier in one. Either way that's not what we need. We need cohesion.

I could be way off in all of this. I've been a LEO since 2007 in two different states. I've dealt with CCW in my previous state with no problems. I havent dealt with OC or CCW since coming home to California (from law abiding citizens) due to...well...the state sucking and allowing neither. This is just how I feel about this particular video. Luckily we have seen some pretty good videos from some smart, professional cops.

[av8erprince]

I love it

Haters can be hating all they want, but according to the LAW, the man did nothing wrong.

That said, I think that the officer had good intentions, but needs some remedial training, as do some of you.

I'm not a supporter of "let's bait the cops on video", but I am a supporter of Rights, and that they are upheld.

Been visiting this forum for years now, today i decided to join. And this is my first comment, contribution - I loved this thread, a LOT. Thanks guys.