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  • mbaerg
    Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 375

    80 percent lower

    Do i have to DROS an 80 percent lower IF I decide to complete it?

    -Matt
    "Never was so much owed by so many to so few"-Winston Churchill
    "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction" -Ronald Reagan
  • #2
    Mongoblack23
    Senior Member
    • May 2010
    • 774

    no... drill, mill, build.
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    • #3
      mbaerg
      Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 375

      Originally posted by NuGunner
      NO. IF YOU SEARCH THROUGH THE FORUM, YOU'LL FIND A POST WITH A LETTER FROM ATF REGARDING YOUR QUESTION.
      I cant find it.. Can you help direct it to me?
      "Never was so much owed by so many to so few"-Winston Churchill
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      • #4
        CSACANNONEER
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        • Dec 2006
        • 44093

        DROS = Dealer Record of SALE. If it is ever sold or transfered, it will have to be DROSed in CA. Any ATF letter will NOT have anything to do with CA's DROS system or any other requirements by ANY STATE. Now, to answer your question, there is no requirement to register any firearm in CA except for RAWs and handguns which are being DROSed. So, there is definately no legal requirement in CA to DROS or register your homebuild in CA.
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        • #5
          FireArms101
          Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 284

          FYI: You can't legally sell a homemade firearm.

          Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
          DROS = Dealer Record of SALE. If it is ever sold or transfered, it will have to be DROSed in CA. Any ATF letter will NOT have anything to do with CA's DROS system or any other requirements by ANY STATE. Now, to answer your question, there is no requirement to register any firearm in CA except for RAWs and handguns which are being DROSed. So, there is definately no legal requirement in CA to DROS or register your homebuild in CA.
          Last edited by retired; 02-15-2013, 5:03 PM.

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            Predaxian
            Member
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            • Oct 2012
            • 155

            Originally posted by FireArms101
            FYI: You can't legally sell a homemade firearm.
            Not accurate. You cannot manufacture a firearm with the *intent* to sell it. But if you happen to decide to sell it, and it bears the required markings, such as a serial number, it may be sold.

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              FireArms101
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              • Jun 2009
              • 284

              Not accurate. There is no State or Federal "requirement" to serialize homemade guns. As a licensed FFL Dealer I've legally completed transfers on a older firearms with no serial numbers.

              Originally posted by Predaxian
              Not accurate. You cannot manufacture a firearm with the *intent* to sell it. But if you happen to decide to sell it, and it bears the required markings, such as a serial number, it may be sold.

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              • #8
                Ron-Solo
                In Memoriam
                • Jan 2009
                • 8581

                Originally posted by FireArms101
                FYI: You can't legally sell a homemade firearm.
                FALSE. You can't build one with the intent to sell. You can build one for yourself, then later decide to sell it. Big difference.

                Originally posted by FireArms101
                Not accurate. There is no State or Federal "requirement" to serialize homemade guns. As a licensed FFL Dealer I've legally completed transfers on a older firearms with no serial numbers.
                Guns made before the GCA of 1968 do not require a serial number. Guns made after that do require is serial number IF they are going to be sold.

                Just shows that even FFLs are confused about gun laws.
                Last edited by retired; 02-15-2013, 5:05 PM.
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                • #9
                  lewdogg21
                  Cattle Thieves Pro Staff
                  • May 2009
                  • 10369

                  So based upon the above and wanting a full understanding of the issue; let say hypothetically I have an 80% lower I mill out. Two years from now I decide I don't want it. Can I engrave a serial number, thereby giving it a "serial number" and then legally sell it to another person via dros'ing it with the FFL recording my dremeled serial number on the paperwork?

                  If so would I be legal if I gave a serial number that I create? ie: 12345?
                  Originally posted by jmonte35
                  Disagree. Been trying to teach lewdogg21 how to hunt. It's like trying to teach Steve Wonder how to see. Not sure we're ever going to get there.
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                    Predaxian
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                    • Oct 2012
                    • 155

                    Originally posted by lewdogg21
                    So based upon the above and wanting a full understanding of the issue; let say hypothetically I have an 80% lower I mill out. Two years from now I decide I don't want it. Can I engrave a serial number, thereby giving it a "serial number" and then legally sell it to another person via dros'ing it with the FFL recording my dremeled serial number on the paperwork?

                    If so would I be legal if I gave a serial number that I create? ie: 12345?
                    What you've described here is my understanding of what is permissable under current law.


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                    • #11
                      mbaerg
                      Member
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 375

                      Thanks all

                      -Matt
                      "Never was so much owed by so many to so few"-Winston Churchill
                      "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction" -Ronald Reagan

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                      • #12
                        Baconator
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                        • Jan 2009
                        • 9547

                        But never sell it man. There is no tracking of it. Big brother won't find it.

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                        • #13
                          CSACANNONEER
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                          • Dec 2006
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                          Originally posted by Ron-Solo
                          FALSE. You can't build one with the intent to sell. You can build one for yourself, then later decide to sell it. Big difference.



                          Guns made before the GCA of 1968 do not require a serial number. Guns made after that do require is serial number IF they are going to be sold.

                          Just shows that even FFLs are confused about gun laws.
                          Thanks Ron. I have spent countless hours researching all the legalities of homebuilds including talking with numerous ATF agents at SHOT Shows over the last ten years. So, I'm glad you responded to the poster who failed firearms 101 before I saw his comments. I wouldn't have been quite as polite as you were. I have no problem being corrected and openly admitting my mistakes but, I do have issues when those who think they know something just because of their profession credentials and try to correct already correct information with their misguided and incorrect beliefs.
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