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  • Grampz
    Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 378

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    Thanks
    Last edited by Grampz; 08-27-2013, 11:50 AM.
    They say nothing is impossible. Well heck! I do the impossible everyday...
  • #2
    Spanky8601
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2271

    Not real sure what the difference is, but it might have to do with what you are allowed to do with the vehicle. Different classes of license A or B. If you have a Class A and this vehicle you could drive doubles, a simi trailer with a pull trailer. The section is below, enjoy the confusing read.

    12804.9. (a) (1) The examination shall include all of the
    following:
    (A) A test of the applicant's knowledge and understanding of the
    provisions of this code governing the operation of vehicles upon the
    highways.
    (B) A test of the applicant's ability to read and understand
    simple English used in highway traffic and directional signs.
    (C) A test of the applicant's understanding of traffic signs and
    signals, including the bikeway signs, markers, and traffic control
    devices established by the Department of Transportation.
    (D) An actual demonstration of the applicant's ability to exercise
    ordinary and reasonable control in operating a motor vehicle by
    driving it under the supervision of an examining officer. The
    applicant shall submit to an examination appropriate to the type of
    motor vehicle or combination of vehicles he or she desires a license
    to drive, except that the department may waive the driving test part
    of the examination for any applicant who submits a license issued by
    another state, territory, or possession of the United States, the
    District of Columbia, or the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico if the
    department verifies through any acknowledged national driver record
    data source that there are no stops, holds, or other impediments to
    its issuance. The examining officer may request to see evidence of
    financial responsibility for the vehicle prior to supervising the
    demonstration of the applicant's ability to operate the vehicle. The
    examining officer may refuse to examine an applicant who is unable to
    provide proof of financial responsibility for the vehicle, unless
    proof of financial responsibility is not required by this code.
    (E) A test of the hearing and eyesight of the applicant, and of
    other matters that may be necessary to determine the applicant's
    mental and physical fitness to operate a motor vehicle upon the
    highways, and whether any grounds exist for refusal of a license
    under this code.
    (2) The examination for a class A or class B driver's license
    under subdivision (b) shall also include a report of a medical
    examination of the applicant given not more than two years prior to
    the date of the application by a health care professional. As used in
    this paragraph, "health care professional" means a person who is
    licensed, certified, or registered in accordance with applicable
    state laws and regulations to practice medicine and perform physical
    examinations in the United States. Health care professionals are
    doctors of medicine, doctors of osteopathy, physician assistants, and
    registered advanced practice nurses, or doctors of chiropractic who
    are clinically competent to perform the medical examination presently
    required of motor carrier drivers by the federal Department of
    Transportation. The report shall be on a form approved by the
    department, the federal Department of Transportation, or the Federal
    Aviation Administration. In establishing the requirements,
    consideration may be given to the standards presently required of
    motor carrier drivers by the Federal Highway Administration.
    (3) A physical defect of the applicant that, in the opinion of the
    department, is compensated for to ensure safe driving ability, shall
    not prevent the issuance of a license to the applicant.
    (b) In accordance with the following classifications, an applicant
    for a driver's license shall be required to submit to an examination
    appropriate to the type of motor vehicle or combination of vehicles
    the applicant desires a license to drive:
    (1) Class A includes the following:
    (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (H) of paragraph (3), a
    combination of vehicles, if a vehicle being towed has a gross vehicle
    weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds.
    (B) A vehicle towing more than one vehicle.
    (C) A trailer bus.
    (D) The operation of all vehicles under class B and class C.
    (2) Class B includes the following:
    (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (H) of paragraph (3), a
    single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 26,000
    pounds.
    (B) A single vehicle with three or more axles, except any
    three-axle vehicle weighing less than 6,000 pounds.
    (C) A bus except a trailer bus.
    (D) A farm labor vehicle.
    (E) A single vehicle with three or more axles or a gross vehicle
    weight rating of more than 26,000 pounds towing another vehicle with
    a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 pounds or less.

    (F) A house car over 40 feet in length, excluding safety devices
    and safety bumpers.
    (G) The operation of all vehicles covered under class C.
    (3) Class C includes the following:
    (A) A two-axle vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of
    26,000 pounds or less, including when the vehicle is towing a trailer
    or semitrailer with a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 pounds
    or less.
    (B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), a two-axle vehicle weighing
    4,000 pounds or more unladen when towing a trailer coach not
    exceeding 9,000 pounds gross.
    (C) A house car of 40 feet in length or less.
    (D) A three-axle vehicle weighing 6,000 pounds gross or less.
    (E) A house car of 40 feet in length or less or a vehicle towing
    another vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 pounds
    or less, including when a tow dolly is used. A person driving a
    vehicle may not tow another vehicle in violation of Section 21715.
    (F) (i) A two-axle vehicle weighing 4,000 pounds or more unladen
    when towing either a trailer coach or a fifth-wheel travel trailer
    not exceeding 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight rating, when the
    towing of the trailer is not for compensation.
    (ii) A two-axle vehicle weighing 4,000 pounds or more unladen when
    towing a fifth-wheel travel trailer exceeding 10,000 pounds, but not
    exceeding 15,000 pounds, gross vehicle weight rating, when the
    towing of the trailer is not for compensation, and if the person has
    passed a specialized written examination provided by the department
    relating to the knowledge of this code and other safety aspects
    governing the towing of recreational vehicles upon the highway.
    The authority to operate combinations of vehicles under this
    subparagraph may be granted by endorsement on a class C license upon
    completion of that written examination.
    (G) A vehicle or combination of vehicles with a gross combination
    weight rating or a gross vehicle weight rating, as those terms are
    defined in subdivisions (j) and (k), respectively, of Section 15210,
    of 26,000 pounds or less, if all of the following conditions are met:
    (i) Is operated by a farmer, an employee of a farmer, or an
    instructor credentialed in agriculture as part of an instructional
    program in agriculture at the high school, community college, or
    university level.
    (ii) Is used exclusively in the conduct of agricultural
    operations.
    (iii) Is not used in the capacity of a for-hire carrier or for
    compensation.
    (H) Firefighting equipment, provided that the equipment is
    operated by a person who holds a firefighter endorsement pursuant to
    Section 12804.11.
    (I) A motorized scooter.
    (J) Class C does not include a two-wheel motorcycle or a
    two-wheel motor-driven cycle.
    (4) Class M1. A two-wheel motorcycle or a motor-driven cycle.
    Authority to operate a vehicle included in a class M1 license may be
    granted by endorsement on a class A, B, or C license upon completion
    of an appropriate examination.
    (5) (A) Class M2 includes the following:
    (i) A motorized bicycle or moped, or a bicycle with an attached
    motor, except a motorized bicycle described in subdivision (b) of
    Section 406.
    (ii) A motorized scooter.
    (B) Authority to operate vehicles included in class M2 may be
    granted by endorsement on a class A, B, or C license upon completion
    of an appropriate examination, except that no endorsement is required
    for a motorized scooter. Persons holding a class M1 license or
    endorsement may operate vehicles included in class M2 without further
    examination.
    (c) A driver's license or driver certificate is not valid for
    operating a commercial motor vehicle, as defined in subdivision (b)
    of Section 15210, any other motor vehicle defined in paragraph (1) or
    (2) of subdivision (b), or any other vehicle requiring a driver to
    hold any driver certificate or any driver's license endorsement under
    Section 15275, unless a medical certificate approved by the
    department, the federal Department of Transportation, or the Federal
    Aviation Administration, that has been issued within two years of the
    date of the operation of that vehicle, is within the licensee's
    immediate possession, and a copy of the medical examination report
    from which the certificate was issued is on file with the department.
    Otherwise, the license is valid only for operating class C vehicles
    that are not commercial vehicles, as defined in subdivision (b) of
    Section 15210, and for operating class M1 or M2 vehicles, if so
    endorsed, that are not commercial vehicles, as defined in subdivision
    (b) of Section 15210.
    (d) A license or driver certificate issued prior to the enactment
    of Chapter 7 (commencing with Section 15200) is valid to operate the
    class or type of vehicles specified under the law in existence prior
    to that enactment until the license or certificate expires or is
    otherwise suspended, revoked, or canceled.
    (e) The department may accept a certificate of driving skill that
    is issued by an employer, authorized by the department to issue a
    certificate under Section 15250, of the applicant, in lieu of a
    driving test, on class A or B applications, if the applicant has
    first qualified for a class C license and has met the other
    examination requirements for the license for which he or she is
    applying. The certificate may be submitted as evidence of the
    applicant's skill in the operation of the types of equipment covered
    by the license for which he or she is applying.
    (f) The department may accept a certificate of competence in lieu
    of a driving test on class M1 or M2 applications, when the
    certificate is issued by a law enforcement agency for its officers
    who operate class M1 or M2 vehicles in their duties, if the applicant
    has met the other examination requirements for the license for which
    he or she is applying.
    (g) The department may accept a certificate of satisfactory
    completion of a novice motorcyclist training program approved by the
    commissioner pursuant to Section 2932 in lieu of a driving test on
    class M1 or M2 applications, if the applicant has met the other
    examination requirements for the license for which he or she is
    applying. The department shall review and approve the written and
    driving test used by a program to determine whether the program may
    issue a certificate of completion.
    (h) Notwithstanding subdivision (b), a person holding a valid
    California driver's license of any class may operate a short-term
    rental motorized bicycle without taking any special examination for
    the operation of a motorized bicycle, and without having a class M2
    endorsement on that license. As used in this subdivision, "short-term"
    means 48 hours or less.
    (i) A person under the age of 21 years may not be issued a class
    M1 or M2 license or endorsement unless he or she provides evidence
    satisfactory to the department of completion of a motorcycle safety
    training program that is operated pursuant to Article 2 (commencing
    with Section 2930) of Chapter 5 of Division 2.
    (j) A driver of a vanpool vehicle may operate with a class C
    license but shall possess evidence of a medical examination required
    for a class B license when operating vanpool vehicles. In order to be
    eligible to drive the vanpool vehicle, the driver shall keep in the
    vanpool vehicle a statement, signed under penalty of perjury, that he
    or she has not been convicted of reckless driving, drunk driving, or
    a hit-and-run offense in the last five years.
    May I always be the type of person my dog thinks I am

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    • #3
      Caresq1
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 47

      A few other things to think about as well... Your "pickup" is no longer a pick up as you think, it's now a "motor truck" in the eyes of the law. This is because the GVWR is over the 11500 lbs limit for vehicles equipped with a standard truck bed. (10,001 without). With that being said, you are also required to obtain CA #s, Motor carrier permit. Here is some basic info on MCP


      As for the declared weight fees, here is a few links on that topic.




      A good idea would be to swing by a CHP scale facility or local CHP office and talk to one of the MRE's. Don't rely on the word of the dealers or DMV.
      "There's no way, no way you could have come from my loins! As soon as I get home, I'm gonna punch your momma in the mouth!" Sheriff Buford T. Justice

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