Foreign LEOs

[Mr310]

I got to hang out with and have a few beers with a superintendent in the Japanese police last night. He's a really cool guy, and got to do a cross-training stint in the states. He has views on gun control that many here would disagree with, but aside from that, told me about some interesting stuff. In Osaka, I had seen the police conduct a felony stop, and he was shocked when I showed him the video that I had taken as he said that it was obvious to him that they had been improperly trained. Though guns are illegal here, he said that they do have a gun problem and that his district has been averaging about 60-65 firearms-related homicides every year, there are a great many more through stabbing and other forms of violence. It's interesting to see the different take on policing from someone across the world (even if he's a boss ) but I was wondering if foreign cross-training is a common thing?


By the way, he said that everyone he knows is jealous that you guys get to have the Crown Vics while they have to deal with small Toyota interceptors here for their units.


As soon as I get around to it, I'll get the video of the felony stop.

[barca101]

When I vacationed in the Philippines, I've seen cops that are undertrained with no clue of officer safety and firearms discipline. Whether its the Philippine National Police to the small city cops, they need more training. Granted it's no Japan.

[BigDogatPlay]

I've been fortunate to chat with LEOs across Scandinavia, Hong Kong, and Singapore as well as Canada. Cops are always going to be cops, and each have had their stories. The most professional, if not downright capable were in Hong Kong.

The ones who meant well and were downright toughest were in Singapore, but they also seemed to be the least trained. The police presence is palpable there, and in many quarters the police in Singapore are feared.

[SoCalDep]

I did some low light training with Korean police, and a representative from the Australian national police (I think is what it's called) observed some of our department's active shooter training for a possible program in the land down under. The Australian bought us lunch during training and was a really nice guy. The Koreans were nice also but spoke little to no English.

It was a bit scary trying to say "I give up!" and hoping their interpreter can translate fast enough to avoid me eating some sims lead when playing the unarmed bad guy during force-on-force.

[TASK, LLC]

It is always interesting to train with officers from across the country and the world. The perspectives can be different, especially the firearms issues.

I have had the opportunity to train with officers from New South Wales (Australia), EKO Cobra (Austria), Ministry of Public Security (China), and Metropolitan Police (England). Interesting representatives from all the countries, but the most enthusiastic was from Australia.

[me109g4]

an aquaintance of mine who was a Constable in Northern England had a chance to cross train with LAPD several yrs. back, he enjoyed the "brisker" pace of the Dept. him coming from a quiet english county police force, but one thing that shocked him was the number of officers who had "throw down guns",, by his estimate between 30 to 40 percent. He didnt like the fact that this was used against suspects especially he said most of them were so dumb they managed to talk themselves into trouble,,, he is very much an old school officer who believes that if he cant get them legally this time he will get them next time. Personally i am scepticle of that percentage, but i have no way to verify,,

[TASK, LLC]

Myth. Total fabrication or guys were joking with him.

[oddjob]

I remember having a police officer from South East Asia somewhere ride with us. The funniest thing I recall was him telling us how they make use of electricity during their interviews. We told him it was frowned upon in the United States and he told us he understood.

Officials from a Mexican police agency also would visit with us. They were pretty cool.

Training like this is not unheard of, but expensive.

[Ron-Solo]

an aquaintance of mine who was a Constable in Northern England had a chance to cross train with LAPD several yrs. back, he enjoyed the "brisker" pace of the Dept. him coming from a quiet english county police force, but one thing that shocked him was the number of officers who had "throw down guns",, by his estimate between 30 to 40 percent. He didnt like the fact that this was used against suspects especially he said most of them were so dumb they managed to talk themselves into trouble,,, he is very much an old school officer who believes that if he cant get them legally this time he will get them next time. Personally i am scepticle of that percentage, but i have no way to verify,,

I call Bull Dookie. In 32+ years of LE in the Los Angeles area, I never encountered a single officer or deputy that had a "throw down gun" as you call it. You, or your friend, been watching too much TV

And a "Back up gun" isn't a "Throw down gun". Most LE carry a BUG. The English have difficulty graphing the concept of LE carrying one gun, let alone two.

[me109g4]

Sorry Ron, but dont shoot the messenger, you may not like it but it is what was relayed to me.Personally i dont think that was an accurate percentage but to say that doesnt happen I call it back. As to watching too much cop tv, the last cop show I was interested in was "Hill St Blues" in the 80's.

[Ron-Solo]

Sorry, but BS statements about "throw down guns" are highly insulting to those of us that put our lives on the line on a daily basis. TV and movies like to add crud like that, and too many people fall for it.

[Mr310]

Is it generally done as an exchange where both agencies will send personnel to each other's countries or is it generally foreign LEOs coming to the states?

[Ron-Solo]

Is it generally done as an exchange where both agencies will send personnel to each other's countries or is it generally foreign LEOs coming to the states?

It is more foreign LE coming here to learn our techniques. Usually specialty teams.

[Emdawg]

I am not an LEO, so please do not zap me.

Anyway, I am friend with a Syrian immigrant who was a member of the national police for over 20 years. I do not know how much experience anyone of you guys have with a LEO from an actual Police State, but his stories are very interesting. It is also very intersting with how the Russians play such a big role with both the military and the police.

[me109g4]

Ron is correct, its does the proffesion no good at all to hear stuf like "throw down guns", he may not like it but there is a percentage of LE that are not interested in making the rest look good and the good ones need to clear out the bad ones. I disagree with the percentage that was told to me, if some of the LEO's were blowing smoke up the visting officers butt thats a dumb thing to do,, but I imagine there are a small percentage that subsribe to the idea of using some tools to get the desired result. No proffesion is devoid of less than desireable individuals.