Ammunition = Probable cause?

[Mr.1904]

Question answered.

thanks Bigdog, Ronsolo, and Notorious. Appreciate it.

[Peter W Bush]

I got pulled over for speeding.. Really speeding at 3am on the 101 in Woodland Hills. CHP officer pulls me over, asks if I've been arrested. I tell him yes, for carrying a concealed weapon. He asks if I have any guns in the car. I told him no. He kept asking, so I looked around to see if I had a gun in the car that I forgot about. I said no again. He asked me what was in the Remington bag in the back seat. I told him ammo for the range. He asks if I have a gun in the bag. I said no. "Why would I store a gun in my ammo bag?" 2 more units show up and ask me if there are any guns in the car and if they could take a look inside. I said no, there are no guns in the car for the 10th time.

Then he goes to write my ticket and says "DO NOT reach for that bag. We will talk about that after I write the ticket." I told him "officer- There are 4 of you with loaded guns surrounding my car... Im not reaching for damn thing! lol" He laughed under his breath, wrote my ticket, and left. Before he left he said "I know you have a gun in there somewhere."

Funny thing is that ticket got dismissed. I think he was just trying to feel me out. If I had been rude about it, he probably would have pushed the matter further but I was curteous and tried to answer the best I could.

[Notorious]

I got pulled over for speeding.. Really speeding at 3am on the 101 in Woodland Hills. CHP officer pulls me over, asks if I've been arrested. I tell him yes, for carrying a concealed weapon. He asks if I have any guns in the car. I told him no. He kept asking, so I looked around to see if I had a gun in the car that I forgot about. I said no again. He asked me what was in the Remington bag in the back seat. I told him ammo for the range. He asks if I have a gun in the bag. I said no. "Why would I store a gun in my ammo bag?" 2 more units show up and ask me if there are any guns in the car and if they could take a look inside. I said no, there are no guns in the car for the 10th time.

Then he goes to write my ticket and says "DO NOT reach for that bag. We will talk about that after I write the ticket." I told him "officer- There are 4 of you with loaded guns surrounding my car... Im not reaching for damn thing! lol" He laughed under his breath, wrote my ticket, and left. Before he left he said "I know you have a gun in there somewhere."

Funny thing is that ticket got dismissed. I think he was just trying to feel me out. If I had been rude about it, he probably would have pushed the matter further but I was curteous and tried to answer the best I could.

I hate to repeat this story because I am not like that but I hate being profiled and BS'ed by another cop who thinks I don't know any better. (This was about 13-14 years ago)

So it's 3am and I am driving home from a neighboring city, I know the traffic light at this particular intersection is horrible so I turn 1 street ahead and go down side streets before coming back out to the main street. I get pulled over as soon as I come out to the main street by an older cop.

I ask him what's wrong. I wasn't speeding, my car is bone stock, and I know I stopped at all the stop signs. He says there was a drive by shooting in the area and I match the description of the shooter and vehicle. Ummm... right... that's why you stopped me alone and walked up casually to ask me that question... and I am sure your shooter was just driving around in a new BMW M3, by himself, in that decently upscale residential neighborhood that was dead silent when I drove through.

So he immediately asks if I have a gun in the car. I have nothing in the car to indicate otherwise, no bags, no backpacks, nothing. Just me and empty seats all around. I say, "I did yesterday, but not today. Took it out and left it at home." He looks at me like I am a smart ***... I tell him that I am not being a smart ***, but it's the truth, I went shooting yesterday, but went home and packed everything away at home, so I did have guns in the car yesterday but not right now.

He looks at me with a puzzled look and asks me again and I tell him the same thing again. He walks around the car, trying to look in every nook and cranny through the windows, he even stops behind the car and stares at the trunk... I just sit there... he comes back, asks me again about guns in the car, I repeat the same line again... so 15 minutes with me, no backup arrive, he's doodling alone with a suspected drive by shooter... and then he says I can go. Whatever.

I am a nice guy but don't feed me crap. Just tell me you pulled me over because I am a young guy in a nice car that cut through a side street and you wanted to shake me down to see what you can get on me. I would have more respect for that than some made up bull.

[Peter W Bush]

I hate to repeat this story because I am not like that but I hate being profiled and BS'ed by another cop who thinks I don't know any better. (This was about 13-14 years ago)

So it's 3am and I am driving home from a neighboring city, I know the traffic light at this particular intersection is horrible so I turn 1 street ahead and go down side streets before coming back out to the main street. I get pulled over as soon as I come out to the main street by an older cop.

I ask him what's wrong. I wasn't speeding, my car is bone stock, and I know I stopped at all the stop signs. He says there was a drive by shooting in the area and I match the description of the shooter and vehicle. Ummm... right... that's why you stopped me alone and walked up casually to ask me that question... and I am sure your shooter was just driving around in a new BMW M3, by himself, in that decently upscale residential neighborhood that was dead silent when I drove through.

So he immediately asks if I have a gun in the car. I have nothing in the car to indicate otherwise, no bags, no backpacks, nothing. Just me and empty seats all around. I say, "I did yesterday, but not today. Took it out and left it at home." He looks at me like I am a smart ***... I tell him that I am not being a smart ***, but it's the truth, I went shooting yesterday, but went home and packed everything away at home, so I did have guns in the car yesterday but not right now.

He looks at me with a puzzled look and asks me again and I tell him the same thing again. He walks around the car, trying to look in every nook and cranny through the windows, he even stops behind the car and stares at the trunk... I just sit there... he comes back, asks me again about guns in the car, I repeat the same line again... so 15 minutes with me, no backup arrive, he's doodling alone with a suspected drive by shooter... and then he says I can go. Whatever.

I am a nice guy but don't feed me crap. Just tell me you pulled me over because I am a young guy in a nice car that cut through a side street and you wanted to shake me down to see what you can get on me. I would have more respect for that than some made up bull.

Wanna talk about profiling? When I was 16 I drove an all black MBZ CL600 coupe. And I look very Arab. I got pulled over allll the time.

[Notorious]

Wanna talk about profiling? When I was 16 I drove an all black MBZ CL600 coupe. And I look very Arab. I got pulled over allll the time.

Very Arab? As compared to just a little Arab? I have no idea what that means, actually, but I'll take it as you were pulled over to be harassed, not for possible criminal activity, but mess with, for driving while young and rich.

I don't bother with that, but if I see a few very Arab looking guys in a ****ty car or a rental car, with smoke coming out the cargo area, and they park in Rockefeller Square, I would do something about it.