Retired Carry Qualification

[OldShooter32]

I retired in 2000, so when HR218 passed I had -- and have to annually -- go in and qualify in order to maintain it.

Here's my question: Since the last time I qualified, they hired a new chief and he is requiring that retired officers complete a civilian application for CCW. The explanation given by the bottom rung was "so that we would have a record of who has 218 endorsements." (The ID card database already has that info in it!)

My BS meter went off. Am I just paranoid, or does this smack of intrusion? The civilian form asks for medical information and requires a "good cause" statement.
I wrote "12027.1(a)" on that page...but don't want to start a war. I guess I'll find out tomorrow when I go in to qualify.

It isn't paranoia if they are really after you...

[non sequitur]

Retiree CCW & HR218

Do you have the PORAC CCW LDF for retired peace officers? If so, you should give PORAC LDF administrator Ed Fishman a call at (800) 255-5610. He would be interested to hear about your new Chief's interpretation of retiree CCWs.

If you don't have the PORAC LDF/CCW retiree coverage, I highly recommend buying it for $48/year!

Also, is your agency listed in this California Police Chiefs Association write up from April 2011?

http://californiapolicechiefs.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Montclair_CCW_Survey.pdf

Good luck.

[003]

I do think you need to assert yourself in this matter. I would hate to see California Chief’s deciding that their retirees need to meet some arbitrary standard that is not required by law. The Penal code is very clear on this matter. You should not need to fill out the civilian CCW application. While the penal code does state that retired cops need to “petition” their department every 5 years for a renewal of their ability to carry a concealed weapon, most agencies that I am aware of have a very simple process to do so. I just did my LEOSA annual shoot earlier week. A simple process where the range master signed my qualification card and I was off the range in 20 minutes.

[OldShooter32]

Thank you for the advice, information and support. Ed was out, but they referred me to Mike Durant in Sac (800) 937-6722 who is going to call me back (hopefully) with The Word.

I am of the same opinion as 003 and see no reason to have to spell out my medical history, past and present medications, etc. just so they can keep track of which retired officers are packing.

[CalCop]

[OldShooter32]

Got a late call from a still-active Sergeant I worked with when we were both detectives. He assured me all they wanted was the "face sheet" aka the name, rank & serial number. No HIPAA violations, no deep secrets...but I will find out tomorrow.
I was imagining some skewed stuff -- you know, "DQ" despite my combat distinguished rating...things like that. I was a 'salmon' when I worked there (always swimming upstream) and was anticipating some goofy stuff. I'll let you know.

[eltee]

Under LEOSA, you DO NOT have to qualify at your former employing agency. The law was carefully created to accommodate retirees who move. A retired CHP can, under HR218/LEOSA, do annual qualification with an agency in the Rhode Island if that's where he lives. An LAPD retiree who has moved to Redding can qualify up there.

I know a retired California cop who requals at my gun club in Nevada. He requals during the range time setup for resident CCW testing. He gets a different form, and is issued verification of his qualifying (which is a requirement under 18USC926 et seq).

[Ron-Solo]

There are several places in the Phoenix area that offer HR218 qualification also. Most are companies that do CCW training.

[003]

Good point eltee. The following is a direct cut from the update signed by Obama. It is clear that it need not be the retirees agency. It does not even need to be a LE agency.

‘(4) during the most recent 12-month period, has met, at the expense of the individual, the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers, as determined by the former agency of the individual, the State in which the individual resides or, if the State has not established such standards, either a law enforcement agency within the State in which the individual resides or the standards used by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State;’; and

Since I shoot at my old agencies range it is not an issue for me, but I have seen flyers posted at several public ranges in So Cal where both active and retired cops that are POST certified range masters do provide the required qualification.

[OldShooter32]

I went in this morning and shot the qualification course. When asked for the application, I told him that I had privacy concerns and told him what the sgt had said. He accepted the "face sheet" without the medical info. My ID card will be ready at records in an hour. Thanks for all the support!

[Ken Woodford]

Eltee is right!!!

The last 2 times I went to qualify for my HR218 there were 7 of us and only 2 out of the seven were Ret. Deputies for SBSD...one guy was from Nashville who was out here visting/vacation.

[bluesmoke9]

Eltee is right!!!

The last 2 times I went to qualify for my HR218 there were 7 of us and only 2 out of the seven were Ret. Deputies for SBSD...one guy was from Nashville who was out here visting/vacation.

Thought it was supposed to be where you reside? Maybe he's visiting "long term".

[Ken Woodford]

Thought it was supposed to be where you reside? Maybe he's visiting "long term".

It's my understanding that any agency can qualify you for HR218. All they ask for is a retirment leo I.D. that says "CCW Approved".