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  • oddjob
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2003
    • 2399

    HR 218 (retirement question)

    I know HR 218 allows for retired LEO's to carry a ccw across state lines once qualified and endorsed.

    My question is does there have to be list of authorized weapons on the retirement ID card/credentials? I ask because I talked to a recently retired LEO and he was told this by his agency. He told me this wasn't an agency policy, but a HR 218 requirement his agency told him about. I looked around and could find no such requirement.

    thanks
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    RickD427
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jan 2007
    • 9274

    Originally posted by oddjob
    I know HR 218 allows for retired LEO's to carry a ccw across state lines once qualified and endorsed.

    My question is does there have to be list of authorized weapons on the retirement ID card/credentials? I ask because I talked to a recently retired LEO and he was told this by his agency. He told me this wasn't an agency policy, but a HR 218 requirement his agency told him about. I looked around and could find no such requirement.

    thanks
    There is no requirement in LEOSA for authorized weapons to be listed on the ID card. If you're carrying under LEOSA, your former agency's policy isn't applicable. That's not a free license to disregard your former agency's policy. It is a requirement in LEOSA that you possess an ID card. If your former agency withholds a card based on your violation of their policy, then you're up the proverbial creek...........
    Last edited by RickD427; 05-07-2012, 5:27 PM.
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    • #3
      bcj128
      Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 462

      I know my department does record the make/model/serial # of weapons qualified with on their qualification card. We do that by our choice to have some measure of liability protection.

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      • #4
        Ron-Solo
        In Memoriam
        • Jan 2009
        • 8581

        I just requalified last week. LASD only requires that you qualify the the type of firearm you plan on carrying, semi auto pistol, revolver, or derringer. The info goes on a form maintained by the department. The card, which goes with our retirement ID, does not state any specific firearm. The retirement ID has the CCW endorsement on it and is valid for five years. The HR218 endorsement is valid for one year.
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        • #5
          oldmotor
          Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 152

          CHP requires that you can only carry what type of handgun you qualify with. You can qualify with both a revolver and a semi if you want.

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          • #6
            hitman13
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 3793

            Requirement:

            Has ammo, goes bang

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            • #7
              Ken Woodford
              Member
              • May 2012
              • 328

              My Dept has a policy for active duty...No single action autos. However when I qualify all they ask is it a revolver or semi auto. With that I am assuming I can ccw a 1911 style firearm. I don't but I could.

              Another policy an active duty Deputy has to follow is that all/any of your CCW weapons have to be approved by the range...not so for retired.

              But as all agencies are...that can all change by the stroke of a pen.

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              • #8
                CalCop
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 573

                http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/leosiss.pdf

                The law says a qualified retired officer is allowed to carry a (read ANY) firearm other than a machine gun. Your agency can say whatever they want. If you qualify with ONE handgun, you can carry ANY handgun (minus full-auto). So, just humor them. Qual with one gun, then carry whatever you want. If you get jammed up, you will win.
                "Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen."
                -- Sir Robert Peel

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                • #9
                  lrdchivalry
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 1031

                  Originally posted by CalCop
                  http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/leosiss.pdf

                  The law says a qualified retired officer is allowed to carry a (read ANY) firearm other than a machine gun. Your agency can say whatever they want. If you qualify with ONE handgun, you can carry ANY handgun (minus full-auto). So, just humor them. Qual with one gun, then carry whatever you want. If you get jammed up, you will win.
                  Agreed! Only machine guns, guns with silencers or destructive devices are not covered under HR218.
                  Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                  --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                  • #10
                    bluesmoke9
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 815

                    Originally posted by lrdchivalry
                    Agreed! Only machine guns, guns with silencers or destructive devices are not covered under HR218.
                    So, you're saying the 60mm mortar in my trunk is a problem?
                    If you buy anything because it has "tactical" or "operator" in the name, we probably don't run in the same circles.

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                    • #11
                      hitman13
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 3793

                      Originally posted by bluesmoke9
                      So, you're saying the 60mm mortar in my trunk is a problem?
                      That's some pretty girthy junk in your trunk.....

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                      • #12
                        Che762x39
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 4538

                        Originally posted by hitman13
                        Requirement:

                        Has ammo, goes bang
                        +1

                        My retirement ID says a loaded, concealed firearm. Nothing about caliber or type.

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                        • #13
                          lrdchivalry
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 1031

                          Originally posted by bluesmoke9
                          So, you're saying the 60mm mortar in my trunk is a problem?
                          What 60mm mortar?
                          Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                          --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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