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is it fair that citizens can't lie to cops, but cops may lie to citizens?

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  • Squid
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 1041

    is it fair that citizens can't lie to cops, but cops may lie to citizens?

    the idea is of course that cops need to be able to lie to do their job of catching crooks, but if a citizen lies to cops it COULD hinder them and prevent them from doing their job, etc.

    OK, but what about if a cop's lies cause some citizen to do the wrong thing or otherwise harm him by wasting his time and preventing him from doing something?


    Two things come to mind:

    1) Why doesn't anyone ever believe a cop about anything, given it is perfectly OK for them to lie to the public?

    2) It should be perfectly OK for anyone to lie to police at anytime. Talking to police isn't "under oath" in court with 3rd party as ref. After all, without court reporter and witnesses, it isn't what you say, it is what a cop says you said.


    You might say "but if someone lies and says they saw a murder we have to investigate". Actually, IIRC, they don't "have to" do much of anything, but they would certainly most likely waste some time.....just like some member of the public might most likely waste some time after being lied to by police.
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    gesundheit
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 1147

    There was a recent discussion on this very subject.

    It is a Catch-22 situation for LE. On one hand you want to gain the trust of public but on the other hand you want to nab the bad guys.

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    • #3
      raydog
      Banned
      • Apr 2012
      • 37

      This is why you don't talk to them, then your mouth can not get you into trouble!!

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      • #4
        Yugo
        Calguns Addict
        • Feb 2011
        • 8357

        where does it say that you cant lie to LEO?
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        Originally posted by WAMO556
        Voting for Donald Trump is the protest vote against: Keynesian economics, Neocon wars, exporting jobs, open borders, Washington criminal cartel, too big to fail banks and too big to jail pols and banksters.

        Cutting off foreign aid to EVERY country and dismantling the police/surveillance state!

        Umm yeah!!!!!

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        • #5
          HK4113
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 1296

          Originally posted by Yugo
          where does it say that you cant lie to LEO?
          +1 I don't believe it is illegal to lie to a local police officer. A federal officer might be another matter.

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          • #6
            tleeocinca
            Banned
            • Jan 2011
            • 893

            If you don't say a thing, you aren't lying

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            • #7
              VictorFranko
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2010
              • 13737

              Squid, whoever told you life was supposed to be "fair"?

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              • #8
                POLICESTATE
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Apr 2009
                • 18185

                Originally posted by tleeocinca
                If you don't say a thing, you aren't lying
                Lying by omission
                -POLICESTATE,
                In the name of the State, and of the School, and of the Infallible Science


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                Government Official Lies
                . F r e e d o m . D i e s .

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                • #9
                  CAL.BAR
                  CGSSA OC Chapter Leader
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 5632

                  Originally posted by HK4113
                  +1 I don't believe it is illegal to lie to a local police officer. A federal officer might be another matter.
                  It absolutely it. PC 148.9 specifically.

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                  • #10
                    Yugo
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 8357

                    Originally posted by djandj
                    It absolutely it. PC 148.9 specifically.
                    thats about lying about your identity not lying in general
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                    Originally posted by WAMO556
                    Voting for Donald Trump is the protest vote against: Keynesian economics, Neocon wars, exporting jobs, open borders, Washington criminal cartel, too big to fail banks and too big to jail pols and banksters.

                    Cutting off foreign aid to EVERY country and dismantling the police/surveillance state!

                    Umm yeah!!!!!

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                    • #11
                      HK4113
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 1296

                      Originally posted by djandj
                      It absolutely it. PC 148.9 specifically.
                      That makes it illegal to say your someone who your not.

                      Show me the PC that says I can't lie about details to a cop.

                      IE: I have not had anything to drink tonight when in fact I had 42 shots of tequila.

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                      • #12
                        Yugo
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 8357

                        Originally posted by HK4113
                        That makes it illegal to say your someone who your not.

                        Show me the PC that says I can't lie about details to a cop.

                        IE: I have not had anything to drink tonight when in fact I had 42 shots of tequila.
                        or do you have a weapon in the car, NO.
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                        Originally posted by WAMO556
                        Voting for Donald Trump is the protest vote against: Keynesian economics, Neocon wars, exporting jobs, open borders, Washington criminal cartel, too big to fail banks and too big to jail pols and banksters.

                        Cutting off foreign aid to EVERY country and dismantling the police/surveillance state!

                        Umm yeah!!!!!

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                        • #13
                          Squid
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 1041

                          part of V code

                          https://youtu.be/H6W0_TMF4Nc Vehicle Code 31 VC is a California statute that makes it a misdemeanor to provide false information or documentation to a police officer. This includes a false name, driver's license or vehicle registration. A conviction carries penalties of up to 6 months in jail and a fine of up to $1000.00. Police officers often

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                          • #14
                            HK4113
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 1296

                            ^^^^^none of those apply to the examples listed above

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                            • #15
                              monk
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 4454

                              Wouldn't 5th amendment privileges protect a person if the investigation is against them?


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                              A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny.

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