High cap mags

[cantcme]

Can LEO legally use high cap mags in an unconverted Saiga? Can we legally bring high cap mags into California without paperwork (for our own use in a featureless rifle)? Do high cap mags in an unconverted imported rifle trigger 922r?

[code33]

PC section 32405 covers the importation exemption of large capacity magazines for peace officers.

PC section 30515 covers AW features. Anyone that is in legal possession of large capacity mags can use them in a featureless rifle.

Can LEO legally use high cap mags in an unconverted Saiga? Can we legally bring high cap mags into California without paperwork (for our own use in a featureless rifle)? Do high cap mags in an unconverted imported rifle trigger 922r?

[CalCop]

PC section 32405 covers the importation exemption of large capacity magazines for peace officers.
PC section 30515 covers AW features. Anyone that is in legal possession of large capacity mags can use them in a featureless rifle.

You are correct that under CA law a peace officer can use full capacity mags in CA defined featureless rifles. He can also do so in a RAW. However, USC 922R is federal code and CA law cannot except a LEO from federal law.

[Baconator]

Can LEO legally use high cap mags in an unconverted Saiga? Can we legally bring high cap mags into California without paperwork (for our own use in a featureless rifle)? Do high cap mags in an unconverted imported rifle trigger 922r?

Yes, magazines greater than 10 trigger 922r and would require a conversion.

[cantcme]

A featureless rifle with high cap mags falls under 922r? Is a Saiga in stock form with high cap mags 922r compliant?

[rromeo]

No. Because large capacity mags alone trigger 922(r)
The rifle is no longer in the imported "sporting" configuration. Featureless is a California thing and has no bearing on 922(r), it's a federal regulation.

[Baconator]

You should Google 922r

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[cantcme]

http://home.comcast.net/~navy87guy/home/922r.html

Help me understand this.

If I'm LEO I can use a featureless Saiga rifle in Ca with hicap mags, but the federal law (922r) says if I use high cap mags I must do a conversion. If I do a conversion then I must use a bullet button but a bullet button gun can't have high cap mags. Is that correct?

[sharkman]

http://home.comcast.net/~navy87guy/home/922r.html

Help me understand this.

If I'm LEO I can use a featureless Saiga rifle in Ca with hicap mags, but the federal law (922r) says if I use high cap mags I must do a conversion. If I do a conversion then I must use a bullet button but a bullet button gun can't have high cap mags. Is that correct?

Welcome to the "California Runaround".

[cantcme]

OK I figured it out.

922r is for imported rifles only and it doesn't matter if you have evil features or not because a high cap mag itself is an evil feature for 922r. That means LEO can't use high cap mags in imported rifles unless the gun has 10 or less of the designated gun parts listed in 922r. The Saiga in plain imported form has 14 of the parts. A magazine makes 3 parts which means one more part must be swapped. A Tapco foregrip and American made mags would be 4 parts and allow LEO to use high cap mags as long as no other evil features are added.

922r does not care how many American parts you use. It only limits the number of imported parts. I have seen some people on CG say that you shouldn't depend on magazines for parts count because you will not have enough American parts if you remove the magazine. The number of American parts is irrelevant. The only count that matters is are there more than 10 imported parts.

So LEO can use high cap mags in a Saiga by using magazines with all American parts and switching the foregrip or skip having to worry about any of it and use a Mini14/30 or M1A.

[Doru]

How about using the term "Full Capacity Magazines"?

[arsilva32]

How about using the term "Full Capacity Magazines"?

yes thank you, the two labels i hate. coined by the media and anti gun crowd, adopted by everyone now( high capacity mags ) they would have you believe thats anything +10 rounds ( evil features ) people are evil, inanimate objects are not!

[Anchors]

OK I figured it out.

922r is for imported rifles only and it doesn't matter if you have evil features or not because a high cap mag itself is an evil feature for 922r. That means LEO can't use high cap mags in imported rifles unless the gun has 10 or less of the designated gun parts listed in 922r. The Saiga in plain imported form has 14 of the parts. A magazine makes 3 parts which means one more part must be swapped. A Tapco foregrip and American made mags would be 4 parts and allow LEO to use high cap mags as long as no other evil features are added.

922r does not care how many American parts you use. It only limits the number of imported parts. I have seen some people on CG say that you shouldn't depend on magazines for parts count because you will not have enough American parts if you remove the magazine. The number of American parts is irrelevant. The only count that matters is are there more than 10 imported parts.

So LEO can use high cap mags in a Saiga by using magazines with all American parts and switching the foregrip or skip having to worry about any of it and use a Mini14/30 or M1A.

Careful.
I think you mean handguard/fore-end.

A "foregrip" usually refers to a forward pistol grip, which is a California "feature" and would trigger assault weapon status (or require a maglock, which using a +10 rounder in would also trigger AW status).

But I know you mean fore-end/handguard. I just want to clear that up for others reading :]

*not a LEO