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  • Tacit Blue
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    • Feb 2009
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    Human trafficking question.

    I saw a TV show on Discovery channel called ' Kidnap and rescue' the program show cases of where victims are taken against their will and a Private Security Firm is tasked with recovering them.


    In this particular case a 17 year old female was abducted in California, from a party and she was held captive within the Mexican human trafficking ring for 3 years. After Law enforcement wasn't able to locate her, her parents hired HALO Cooperation( based in CA) to recover her. They went down to Mexico, and did surveillance on the bar where she was ' working ' at and confirmed her identity.

    Then proceeding that they located the human trafficking safe house and went in fully armed with MP5's and tactical gear to recover her. When they found her she was so far gone that she resisted their help and became combative. She was addicted to Meth and various other drugs.


    What means and ability and measures can U.S Law Enforcement recover a victim in another country in a similar fashion?
    Last edited by Tacit Blue; 01-24-2012, 1:18 PM.
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    tanksoldier
    Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 207

    Probably none. They likely broke several Mexican laws and risk extradition to Mexico if anybody raises a big enough stink.
    "I am a Soldier. I fight were I'm told and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr.

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      Tacit Blue
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      • Feb 2009
      • 4134

      Heres a video segment from that case

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      • #4
        mirage2887
        Member
        • Jun 2009
        • 220

        Do company's like HALO really exist? I have seen a couple episodes of this show an they show some other organization like HALO.

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        • #5
          Tacit Blue
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 4134

          Originally posted by mirage2887
          Do company's like HALO really exist? I have seen a couple episodes of this show an they show some other organization like HALO.
          The Halo Corporation delivers elite security, defense training, and intelligence solutions for government, corporate, and private clients. Trusted professionals. Real-world experience. Mission-ready results.




          I was hoping some LEO's would chime in. It appears we have a major issue with this along border states. Right now it seems as if private companies are the only ones that can combat this issue effectively without too much bureaucratic negation.


          It seems that policy was to notify Mexican Police after the raid had taken place.
          Last edited by Tacit Blue; 01-24-2012, 5:59 PM.
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          • #6
            Heiko
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2008
            • 1025

            Crazy! Remember that "Dog" the Bounty Hunter got his butt arrested for going into Mexico to capture Andrew Luster who had FTA'd at his trial in Ventura of multiple rapes. He had a warrant and had jumped bail. All "Dog" and his (idiot) posse did was go into the bar Luster frequented and snatched him up and they got arrested. I can't imagine what the Mexican government would do if an armed group did a similar thing. Well, I can imagine, actually.

            I believe that American law enforcement is more concerned with human trafficking on this side of the border. There is plenty of that going on and on a larger scale where people are forced into labor, including prostitution, to pay off debts, etc.

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            • #7
              Vampyredark
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 502

              I think some would resort to old fashioned vigilante justice in that case. I mean, if the U.S. wont do anything to find your abducted child.

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              • #8
                Notorious
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 4695

                There was an US Marshal that got in trouble for that a long long time ago... IIRC, he went across the border to find some fugitive and extradited him... and the Mexican government ended up going after him for kidnapping for something... fuzzy on the details.

                The government usually won't get involved for something like this, especially the local government, who might be on the take with the ring, which usually is multi-national.

                There was another segment where an American girl got abducted in Paris by Albanians who tried to sell her to the highest bidder because she was a virgin. Thankfully the father, who has a special set of skills, got there in time and despite being sold out by his local friends in the French police, singlehandedly dismantled a large portion of the Albanian's operation, and also took out a whole boatload of bodyguards for the Sheik that bought his daughter. Man, that was good!
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                • #9
                  LoneWolf1
                  Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 483

                  Originally posted by Notorious
                  There was another segment where an American girl got abducted in Paris by Albanians who tried to sell her to the highest bidder because she was a virgin. Thankfully the father, who has a special set of skills, got there in time and despite being sold out by his local friends in the French police, singlehandedly dismantled a large portion of the Albanian's operation, and also took out a whole boatload of bodyguards for the Sheik that bought his daughter. Man, that was good!
                  That was the movie "TAKEN" staring Liam Neeson.
                  Originally posted by Ballistic043
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                  • #10
                    tanksoldier
                    Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 207

                    Originally posted by LoneWolf1
                    That was the movie "TAKEN" staring Liam Neeson.
                    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0936501/
                    This guy got in a bit of trouble for claiming to be the guy it was based on:



                    ...tho I understand the movie supposedly WAS based on a true story.
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                    • #11
                      wikioutdoor
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 317

                      Your local LEO's have these issues at home to deal with, a major sex slave den was rolled near me not to long ago, broken legs, gangrene and the appearance of years of constant abuse. I don't have a reference article because it's being kept under the radar.

                      There are people that working in foreign environments that are referred in certain cases non officially.

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                      • #12
                        hitman13
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 3793

                        1. Yes, companies like that really exist.
                        2. No, local LEOs can't help a situation like that.
                        3. Sometimes Feds will get involved, but generally not unless there is political gain for someone.

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                        • #13
                          tyrist
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 4564

                          Originally posted by Tacit Blue
                          I saw a TV show on Discovery channel called ' Kidnap and rescue' the program show cases of where victims are taken against their will and a Private Security Firm is tasked with recovering them.


                          In this particular case a 17 year old female was abducted in California, from a party and she was held captive within the Mexican human trafficking ring for 3 years. After Law enforcement wasn't able to locate her, her parents hired HALO Cooperation( based in CA) to recover her. They went down to Mexico, and did surveillance on the bar where she was ' working ' at and confirmed her identity.

                          Then proceeding that they located the human trafficking safe house and went in fully armed with MP5's and tactical gear to recover her. When they found her she was so far gone that she resisted their help and became combative. She was addicted to Meth and various other drugs.


                          What means and ability and measures can U.S Law Enforcement recover a victim in another country in a similar fashion?
                          Don't assume a dramatization of a story told on a TV program is what actually happened.

                          I wouldn't be surprised if there were private companies in Mexico with such fire power. Considering how bad things are with all the kidnappings of anyone with money I guarantee there are Mexican security companies that are heavily armed inside of the country.

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                          • #14
                            Notorious
                            Veteran Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 4695

                            Originally posted by LoneWolf1
                            That was the movie "TAKEN" staring Liam Neeson.
                            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0936501/
                            Nope, it wasn't a movie!

                            It can't be a movie!

                            I saw it on TV, on the documentary channel known as HBO so it had to be a documentary. There's no way a fake movie can be so gritty and real. I mean, those camera men had to do some tricky work to get all those difficult shots, including showing the inside of the Albanian sex dens and how they filmed the torture scene with the electricity.

                            (BTW, I was joking in the first post... but I guess I have to use some smileys to make sure everyone got that.)
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                            • #15
                              Notorious
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 4695

                              Originally posted by tyrist
                              Don't assume a dramatization of a story told on a TV program is what actually happened.

                              I wouldn't be surprised if there were private companies in Mexico with such fire power. Considering how bad things are with all the kidnappings of anyone with money I guarantee there are Mexican security companies that are heavily armed inside of the country.
                              Mexico's gun laws are so onerous and restrictive that unless these companies have some special exemption or connections, I doubt they can legally buy anything considered to be "firepower".
                              I like guns

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