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  • Tacit Blue
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 4134

    Law Enforcement armorer

    I was wondering if any LEO's could give me advice on how to become a armorer for a agency?


    I'm considering going through school to become a gunsmith/armorer and I was wondering if agencies contract out for services or use a officer to issue? I was looking at taking Glock's course, and Colt's AR15/M16 armorers course ( If i'm able to) for starters.

    thanks,
    "All that is complex is not useful. All that is useful is simple."
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  • #2
    Roddd
    Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 348

    Our armorers are sworn personnel. I don't know about other agencies.

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    • #3
      Tacit Blue
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2009
      • 4134

      Originally posted by Roddd
      Our armorers are sworn personnel. I don't know about other agencies.
      Are they full time or reserves?
      "All that is complex is not useful. All that is useful is simple."
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      • #4
        Falconis
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 1688

        They're generally full time sworn positions for a multitude of reasons. I personally havent heard of any departments farming this kind of work out to anyone (private individuals) for a multitude of reasons.

        The line of thought is, the firearms are used for very specific purposes. After that purpose has occurred, there are a lot of legal work that follows up. I would think Chiefs would be hesitant to farm that sort of work out to anyone they haven't verified through ad nauseum and have some sort of control over. Then there are all the other issues.

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        • #5
          mixicus
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 624

          The majority of armorers I know of are sworn and this is a collateral duty. At larger departments or ones with a dedicated range staff, positions such as armorer or range master may not be sworn but they are department employees. These slots are often occupied by former LEO's.

          As for farming out work, if a department can't handle a repair in-house, they'll likely send it to a neighboring department that has the expertise or send the firearm back to the manufacturer. The exception to this is for some specialized weapons such as sniper rifles. These will likely go back to the gunsmith that built in the first place.

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          • #6
            Steelplate45
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 761

            There are still some departments using civilian range officers and armorers

            I have a buddy who is a civilian working at a city PD range in LA County.
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            • #7
              cacop
              Member
              • Jan 2006
              • 310

              The closest I have seen have been two retired guys working as rangemasters/armorers for their former agancies. Most agencies send their people to schools because it is cheap. The classes are under $500 for the most part. After that it is a collateral duty. Meaning you can make people do it in between calls for service or take them off the streets for a day to do it. If you hire an outsider you need enough work for them to do full time or find someone willing to do it part time. We really do not have much for armorers to do it full time and we have 90+ pistols to inspect every year and close to 40 rifles.

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              • #8
                SkyStorm82
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 1745

                Ours are sworn peace officers. If I remember correctly, Orange PD had a job up on their website for armorer. This was probably around 10 years ago though. Start checking city/county websites.
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                • #9
                  TRICKSTER
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 12438

                  Originally posted by Roddd
                  Our armorers are sworn personnel. I don't know about other agencies.

                  +1. At my old agency the armorers and range staff were all sworn officers.


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                  • #10
                    1911su16b870
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 7654

                    Originally posted by mixicus
                    The majority of armorers I know of are sworn and this is a collateral duty...
                    +1 this is my experience as well.
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                    • #11
                      Ron-Solo
                      In Memoriam
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 8581

                      LASD is a sworn position and is a highly sought after position.

                      Being a range officer is very different than being an armorer.
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                      • #12
                        FLIGHT762
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 3072

                        Originally posted by mixicus
                        The majority of armorers I know of are sworn and this is a collateral duty. At larger departments or ones with a dedicated range staff, positions such as armorer or range master may not be sworn but they are department employees. These slots are often occupied by former LEO's.

                        As for farming out work, if a department can't handle a repair in-house, they'll likely send it to a neighboring department that has the expertise or send the firearm back to the manufacturer. The exception to this is for some specialized weapons such as sniper rifles. These will likely go back to the gunsmith that built in the first place.
                        Originally posted by SkyStorm82
                        Ours are sworn peace officers. If I remember correctly, Orange PD had a job up on their website for armorer. This was probably around 10 years ago though. Start checking city/county websites.
                        Originally posted by TRICKSTER
                        +1. At my old agency the armorers and range staff were all sworn officers.
                        Originally posted by 1911su16b870
                        +1 this is my experience as well.
                        This is my experience also. I was our designated Armorer at my Department. I was sent to schools put on by manufacturers for LEO personnel. I would think there are very few departments that use non sworn personnel for armorers.

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                        • #13
                          Tacit Blue
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 4134

                          I found that Orange PD job everyone was referring to. Keep in mind this is not active. It shows that some Dept's have at least considered it in the past. But thanks guys, guess I'll have to look somewhere else for now. I appreciate the info.


                          "All that is complex is not useful. All that is useful is simple."
                          Mikhail Kalashnikov *...

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                          • #14
                            Roddd
                            Member
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 348

                            I don't know how old you are, but you may want to consider enlisting. I know some former marine armorers (2112s) that are doing quite well for themselves in the private sector.

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