glove legality question

[Kamikaze]

Haha, he probably isn't aware of who he was winking at.

Actually I am aware that he is a retired LEO it says it in his signature. I also dont have SAP gloves and just put the "" because the questions I was asking makes it seem like I own a pair.

[Gnome]

Actually I am aware that he is a retired LEO it says it in his signature. I also dont have SAP gloves and just put the "" because the questions I was asking makes it seem like I own a pair.

I doubt any LEO (retired or active) on this forum care what you do or don't have in the privacy of your own home.

[Anchors]

Confused

Okay I'm confused.
I know this thread is old, but as far as I can tell, SAP gloves are not illegal in California. Some seasoned LEOs here seem to think they are, while others don't. And some of the "in the know" people here seem to also think they are not illegal.
Disclaimer: I don't own them, nor do I think they're that great of defensive weapons (did own them when I was younger and lived in Arizona, they kind of suck for anything other than conversational pieces. Sold them to a buddy for $10 I think haha).

Can I get clarification?

A sap is not the same thing as "sap gloves." There was a bill last session to make weighted gloves illegal but then the legislature realized that would make all sorts of motorcycle gloves illegal.

-Gene

As I said above, SAP Gloves - even if those are and I doubt they are - are not controlled in California. Just because some LEO tried to charge BWO with something that doesn't exist doesn't mean its illegal.

-Gene

Just saw this... Throw the gloves away. Lots of POST academies teach that weighted or armored gloves are illegal as "SAP" gloves. There is no such thing in the penal code, but it will take a lot of money resolve the issue if you get popped for them. Totally not worth it. My motorcycle gloves are all leather now.

And yes, any blunt object used or intended to be used as a weapon is a felony to possess. There is case law on that. (that did not even apply to me and it was still harder to beat than the AW stuff...)

[Armed24-7]

Oh well I guess its a good thing I dont have them then

LOL....good thing indeed!

[bohoki]

yea i cant find the law banning them

they are not billies or brass knuckles they are heavy gloves

[Anchors]

yea i cant find the law banning them

they are not billies or brass knuckles they are heavy gloves

I'm going to put sap gloves in the same bin that bullet button AR15s were in before they became accepted practice.
Completely legal, but most officers (and people in general) are going to assume it isn't.
Best not to push it as there isn't going to be that much support for sap gloves like there was for black rifles.

[rolncode3]

PC 22210 clearly states that saps are illegal. No need to guess.

[mej16489]

PC 22210 clearly states that saps are illegal. No need to guess.

As in 'saps are illegal ergo sap gloves are illegal'?

Is that anything like 'billies are illegal ergo billy goats are illegal'?

[Kody the Enforcer]

Okay I'm confused.
I know this thread is old, but as far as I can tell, SAP gloves are not illegal in California. Some seasoned LEOs here seem to think they are, while others don't. And some of the "in the know" people here seem to also think they are not illegal.
Disclaimer: I don't own them, nor do I think they're that great of defensive weapons (did own them when I was younger and lived in Arizona, they kind of suck for anything other than conversational pieces. Sold them to a buddy for $10 I think haha).

Can I get clarification?

sap gloves = sap, therefore illegal. You are overthinking California law. It only results in headaches.

[Ninety]

under that code an ASP is illegal to own as well.. Never knew that.. what a bunch of garbage.. CA has some weird laws... the police can have them and that is fine but a private citizen its a felony?? amazing.

[Kody the Enforcer]

under that code an ASP is illegal to own as well.. Never knew that.. what a bunch of garebage.. CA has some weird laws... the police can have them and that is fine but a private citizen its a felony?? amazing.

Yep. Any baton, nightstick, ASP, PR-24, etc is considered a billy.

Trying to make sense out of CA weapon laws will only give you a headache.

[Kody the Enforcer]

I'm going to put sap gloves in the same bin that bullet button AR15s were in before they became accepted practice.
Completely legal, but most officers (and people in general) are going to assume it isn't.
Best not to push it as there isn't going to be that much support for sap gloves like there was for black rifles.

That kind of logic will get you a new name: inmate

[ArmedCMT]

Baton question.

So i cant own an expanding baton even if it stays in my safe? Or can i own it just cant poses it outside my domain kinda thing? If someone owns one of these can they sell/give it to someone who can legally own it or should it just discreetly go into the trash?

[ArmedCMT]

anyone wanna weigh in on this?

[mej16489]

So i cant own an expanding baton even if it stays in my safe? Or can i own it just cant poses it outside my domain kinda thing? If someone owns one of these can they sell/give it to someone who can legally own it or should it just discreetly go into the trash?

Its pretty black and white...simple possession is a crime (regardless of where you possess it.)

Also notice below (although I didn't bold it) that giving, selling, lending are also crimes.

16590. As used in this part, "generally prohibited weapon" means
any of the following:
(a) An air gauge knife, as prohibited by Section 20310.
(b) Ammunition that contains or consists of a flechette dart, as
prohibited by Section 30210.
(c) A ballistic knife, as prohibited by Section 21110.
(d) A belt buckle knife, as prohibited by Section 20410.
(e) A bullet containing or carrying an explosive agent, as
prohibited by Section 30210.
(f) A camouflaging firearm container, as prohibited by Section
24310.
(g) A cane gun, as prohibited by Section 24410.
(h) A cane sword, as prohibited by Section 20510.
(i) A concealed dirk or dagger, as prohibited by Section 21310.
(j) A concealed explosive substance, other than fixed ammunition,
as prohibited by Section 19100.
(k) A firearm that is not immediately recognizable as a firearm,
as prohibited by Section 24510.
(l) A large-capacity magazine, as prohibited by Section 32310.
(m) A leaded cane or an instrument or weapon of the kind commonly
known as a billy, blackjack, sandbag, sandclub, sap, or slungshot, as
prohibited by Section 22210.
(n) A lipstick case knife, as prohibited by Section 20610.
(o) Metal knuckles, as prohibited by Section 21810.
(p) A metal military practice handgrenade or a metal replica
handgrenade, as prohibited by Section 19200.
(q) A multiburst trigger activator, as prohibited by Section
32900.
(r) A nunchaku, as prohibited by Section 22010.
(s) A shobi-zue, as prohibited by Section 20710.
(t) A short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, as
prohibited by Section 33215.
(u) A shuriken, as prohibited by Section 22410.
(v) An unconventional pistol, as prohibited by Section 31500.
(w) An undetectable firearm, as prohibited by Section 24610.
(x) A wallet gun, as prohibited by Section 24710.
(y) A writing pen knife, as prohibited by Section 20910.
(z) A zip gun, as prohibited by Section 33600.

22210. Except as provided in Section 22215 and Chapter 1
(commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any person
in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports
into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who
gives, lends, or possesses any leaded cane, or any instrument or
weapon of the kind commonly known as a billy, blackjack, sandbag,
sandclub, sap, or slungshot, is punishable by imprisonment in a
county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to
subdivision (h) of Section 1170.

17735. The provisions listed in Section 16590 do not apply to any
instrument, ammunition, weapon, or device that is not a firearm and
is found and possessed by a person who meets all of the following:
(a) The person is not prohibited from possessing firearms or
ammunition under subdivision (a) of Section 30305 or Chapter 2
(commencing with Section 29800) or Chapter 3 (commencing with Section
29900) of Division 9 of Title 4 of this part, or Section 8100 or
8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.
(b) The person possessed the instrument, ammunition, weapon, or
device no longer than was necessary to deliver or transport it to a
law enforcement agency for that agency's disposition according to
law.
(c) If the person is transporting the item, the person is
transporting it to a law enforcement agency for disposition according
to law.