Any road any code?

[bden]

I spent the better part of my teens and then some volunteering for a local police department, and am curious about the slogan "Any road any code" I frequently see referenced. I distinctly remember one of the motor/traffic officers talking about citations he could write and those he couldn't. He said that when it comes to private property there are only four things he could cite someone for. They were unlicensed driver, DUI, Careless/Reckless, and one other that escapes me right now. Is this true statewide or was it simply a matter of department policy?

Another just for fun...a different officer said it's illegal to bar a service animal from going anywhere open to the public other than the zoo.

[BigDogatPlay]

I spent the better part of my teens and then some volunteering for a local police department, and am curious about the slogan "Any road any code" I frequently see referenced. I distinctly remember one of the motor/traffic officers talking about citations he could write and those he couldn't. He said that when it comes to private property there are only four things he could cite someone for. They were unlicensed driver, DUI, Careless/Reckless, and one other that escapes me right now. Is this true statewide or was it simply a matter of department policy?

Private property and the Vehicle Code has come up before. Disabled parking is also, IIRC, on that short list. If the private property (typically like an off street parking facility) is posted at the entrance(s) that all VC sections are enforced on the property, then it's fair game.

Another just for fun...a different officer said it's illegal to bar a service animal from going anywhere open to the public other than the zoo.

That's pretty much the case in my experience. More here.

[Ron-Solo]

As usual, BigDog has summed it up pretty nicely.

[hitman13]

As for AZ: only motor things we cite for on PP is hit and run, DUI, and handicap parking violations.

[mej16489]

Does anyone know the origin of the CA adage, 'All roads all codes'?

I've heard that it comes from a time when CA LEOs had limited jurisdiction and CHP didn't....but I've never found anything to support that. Was there a time when non-CHP LEOs had limited jurisdiction?

[biochembruin]

"All roads, all codes" is the CHP motto. They are the California state police agency, although their primary focus is traffic enforcement and investigations. In some parts of the state, they will turn over other investigations (ie: murders) to the local police or sheriff agency.

[gunner336]

CHP

I remember Gordon Graham the CHP /Sgt/Lt/Capt and Attorney giving LEO Supervisor training classes maybe 20 years ago using that saying " ALL ROADS, ALL CODES.

[CSACANNONEER]

I am not an LEO.

Anyway, I was unaware that one could be cited for being an unlicensed driver on private property. Is this only PP open to the public or, is it all PP including large ranches etc.?

[Ron-Solo]

I am not an LEO.

Anyway, I was unaware that one could be cited for being an unlicensed driver on private property. Is this only PP open to the public or, is it all PP including large ranches etc.?

As far as I know, it is only private property open to the public, such as a mall parking lot, etc. I've never cited for it on pp.

Where else are you going to teach your kid to drive but an empty parking lot?

[Doheny]

Not a LEO...

But how does CVC 12500(c) apply as far as teaching your kids to driving in a parking lot?:

(c) A person may not drive a motor vehicle in or upon any offstreet parking facility, unless the person then holds a valid driver's license of the appropriate class or certification to operate the vehicle. As used in this subdivision, "offstreet parking facility" means any offstreet facility held open for use by the public for parking vehicles and includes any publicly owned facilities for offstreet parking, and privately owned facilities for offstreet parking where no fee is charged for the privilege to park and which are held open for the common public use of retail customers.

This thread jogged my memory about the above section. I remember an article in the local paper a few years back saying how you could no longer teach your kids to drive in parking lots...as usual, could be a misinterpretation on my part.

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[CSACANNONEER]

As far as I know, it is only private property open to the public, such as a mall parking lot, etc. I've never cited for it on pp.

Where else are you going to teach your kid to drive but an empty parking lot?

My mom would take me to the cemetary. It was private property open to the public but, not a "parking lot".

[gorn5150]

Does anyone know the origin of the CA adage, 'All roads all codes'?

I've heard that it comes from a time when CA LEOs had limited jurisdiction and CHP didn't....but I've never found anything to support that. Was there a time when non-CHP LEOs had limited jurisdiction?

CHP came up with it. It wasn't all that long ago that they could only enforce traffic laws. That is why thier badges said State Traffic Officer. Over the years they incorporated the State Police and have been able to upgrade their peace officer status to be able to have pretty much primary police powers.

Prior to the any road and code thing they would always say they were the USMC of law enforcement. That was always good for a laugh. I'm not sure, but they used to fall under 830.2 PC, they may now be 830.1 PC

[oldmotor]

CHP came up with it. It wasn't all that long ago that they could only enforce traffic laws. That is why thier badges said State Traffic Officer. Over the years they incorporated the State Police and have been able to upgrade their peace officer status to be able to have pretty much primary police powers.

Prior to the any road and code thing they would always say they were the USMC of law enforcement. That was always good for a laugh. I'm not sure, but they used to fall under 830.2 PC, they may now be 830.1 PC

Not correct. My badge still says Traffic Officer on it. But my police powers have been the same today since when I came on 27 years ago in January. I've always been able to do V.C. or P.C. violations, but with a focus on V.C. violations.

The Traffic Officer on the badge turned to Officer approximately 20'ish years ago. The merger with the State Patrol came into effect in 1995 with the idea that all crime, P.C and V.c, would be handled by CHP on freeways which is state property. Most City Police and County Sheriff Dept. have resisted this. (Can't say I blame them). There was no "upgrade" when the merger occurred, the powers have remanined the same. Since I've been on and it has been 830.2 P.C.

Have to admit, I heard the motto, "All roads all codes" all the time when I first came on, but for the last 10-15 years not as much. Never heard the "USMC of law enforcement" slogan. Might be something local to where you were at. Must say, I don't like that saying too much. If it was Army related, I'm sure I would like it more.

[BigDogatPlay]

830.2 is the "state" section. CHP has fallen into that authority since before I started studying the PC 30+ years ago.

[43Duc]

I heard the "all roads / all codes" a lot when I went through the CHP Commercial Enforcement school. I heard it a lot at Commercial Checkpoints. The meaning, as I understand it, is to mean that cops, in general, can go anywhere in the state and enforce any code, ie. Penal Code, Vehicle Code, B&P Code, etc, etc. They also include the CCR and FCR as "codes" to be enforced by any cop. I only know of a few people at my agency that have/will enforce CCR/FCR violations since no one else seems to know how to "get to it / reference it" on a greenie.

I've used the "all roads / all codes" phrase in traffic court when questioned by attorneys about writing tickets outside my city.