What's next???

[415dog!]

San diego shooting about a year ago, sd shooting a week ago, lapd shooting about a year ago, recent ohio shooting, georgia shooting, and the dodgers game 245.....iv been an leo for 7 yrs,and I noticed an uprise in disrespect, and violent crime...is this just a sign of the times or are people becoming more barbaric, last week I responded to 6 273.5's in progress

[BigDogatPlay]

Let's not forget the riots in the UK and the mobbing that is happening with increasing frequency on the east coast, Philadelphia in particular. There does seem to be an increasing level of de-sensitivity to violent behavior. When the millenial generation gets into it's 20's, soon, I fear that it will only get worse.

Always hard to read into statistics. LEO on duty deaths are down a bit as a whole number, but LEO deaths by gunfire are up 11% year over year. Rapid City, SD lost two guys to a shooter last week, and a Pennsylvania officer was lost yesterday. He was on a disturbing the peace call, was attacked by two dogs not related to the call location. When he tried to Taser one of the dogs, the owner of the dogs appeared and shot the officer in the face with a shotgun killing him.

Very weird things are going on out there.

[Tacit Blue]

Not a LEO,

If you go on the Officer down memorial page, statistics indicate it's up 12%. It's connected to the economy, and loss of jobs. People are going through some hard times, and there's certain individuals that are opportunists and take advantage of it.

I mean i've already experienced how competitive it is to get a LE job. SDPD, had 600+ people testing awhile back(One testing cycle,more to follow), and they were lined up around the building. Half were sent home because their weren't enough seats literally to accommodate them.

This isn't unusual, in the great depression. Outlaws like Bonnie and Clyde, Machine gun kelly, Al Capone all took the advantage of the times.

[tacticalcity]

Not a LEO,

If you go on the Officer down memorial page, statistics indicate it's up 12%. It's connected to the economy, and loss of jobs. People are going through some hard times, and there's certain individuals that are opportunists and take advantage of it.

I mean I've already experienced how competitive it is to get a LE job. SDPD, had 600+ people testing awhile back(One testing cycle,more to follow), and they were lined up around the building. Half were sent home because their weren't enough seats literally to accommodate them.

This isn't unusual, in the great depression. Outlaws like Bonnie and Clyde, Machine gun kelly, Al Capone all took the advantage of the times.

It is disturbing to see law enforcement and other emergency services be hit so hard. Most are not only not hiring, they are being forced to scale back - just as desperate times are leading the less scrupulous of us to resort to less than legal ways of scraping by. Most of the time this is political more than economic. Law enforcement and firemen are visible. So city and county managers want to demonstrate to the public in the most visible way possible that they need more money. So while there are plenty of other areas where they can trim the fat, those areas would not be as effective in convincing voters to let them raise taxes. So it is 75% politics and only 25% necessity. Yes they need to scale back government, but they could do it by making the cuts in less critical areas. So public safety suffers for political reasons.

Lets hope things do not get as bad as the depression. Our generation has no clue how bad that really was. It upsets me when talking heads try and compare our current economic situation with the depression. It is no where even close.

That time in American history is unique in that not only was the economy the worst it had ever been, but the government made the nation's favorite coping mechanism illegal. Turning the vast majority of citizens into a criminal overnight.

While pot heads want to make comparisons to today, those arguments are as ridiculous as the scare tactics of the talking heads on the economy. Alcohol is woven into every aspect of American society, even more so back then. Pot is part of a subculture...a large subculture...but a subculture none the less.

[BigDogatPlay]

I'd disagree, to a point on connection to the economy and jobs. Violent crime, overall, is still running at near record lows with the ultra large metropolitan areas (where firearms and self defense are frowned on) largely being the exception. Property crime seems to be edging upward.

Yes there are some who will turn to capering in tough times but I would maintain, based solely on my own personal research and my gut, that the percentage of the population given over to violent crime likely remains somewhat a constant percentage of the larger population. That the total number of people who might do that would be larger is a function of the growth of the overall population.

The 1930's example is valid to a degree but needs to be parsed a bit. Organized criminals, Al Capone and such, were empowered by Prohibition. When prohibition went away the power of organized crime retreated back into where it had lived before. When they eventually came to the drug trade that worm turned.

Roving armed robbers and kidnappers, like Bonnie and Clyde, Dillinger, the Karpis-Barker gang, and Kelly lasted but a couple of short years. The government reacted to them overwhelmingly, publicly executed a few in the streets (Dillinger, Nelson, Floyd, and Bonnie & Clyde, in particular), and slapped the rest into prison to rot. New laws were enacted, not the least of which was the National Firearms Act of 1934 which still rankles law abiding gun owners like us to this day.

There had been bank robbers before them, and there have been since. They were the first to be truly mobile and wide ranging thanks to the motor vehicle. Their quick rise and rapid demise coupled with the time in which they existed has largely romanticized them.

Way different than today, IMO.

[Falconis]

The linked thread below also represents another problem

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=465423

That thread is a good example. Nobody is willing to take personal responsibility for any actions anymore and they either don't want anyone held accountable or hold all the wrong people accountable.

There was a saying that was told to me while I was growing up. "I am my brother's keeper". I never understood it back then, when I was 10, but I obviously get it now. Society as a whole wants this whole forgive and forget mentality and again, no one wants to take any responsibility or make sure responsibility is something that is not assigned. Problem is, everyone keeps forgetting how certain problems got that way to begin with.

But I see correlations in what I wrote above and why the violence appears to be getting worse and worse. I definitely do think it started in the in the late '60's when the phrase went from What can I do for my Country to How can I scam my country, blame somebody else, and make the biggest mess possible in the process.

I better stop now before I go on a full blown rant and rave.

[tyrist]

San diego shooting about a year ago, sd shooting a week ago, lapd shooting about a year ago, recent ohio shooting, georgia shooting, and the dodgers game 245.....iv been an leo for 7 yrs,and I noticed an uprise in disrespect, and violent crime...is this just a sign of the times or are people becoming more barbaric, last week I responded to 6 273.5's in progress

LAPD has shootings pretty much weekly.

[415dog!]

Agreed on the weekly shootings... but seems to me bad people just look for an excuse to be violent and blame the economy, racial matters to name a few...I agree society fails to accept responsibility and people just forgive and forget what in fact should be punished and made an example. This thread wasn't. A rant. I wanted some confirmation from my Leo peers that they have noticed a pattern too

[epilepticninja]

Very weird things are going on out there.

Totally agreed. It seems in this day and age, people are willing to commit violent crime on their fellow man/woman with no thought to the consequences. There is no real fear of incarceration or the judicial system. And when they are not quite balanced in the mind, they either lash out at targets that they perceive as weaker then them, or they go after authority figures, i.e, cops. It is definitely a time of weird happenings. Without swift retribution and a strong deterence, I think it is only going to get worse.

[Jonathan Doe]

There are a lot more officer/deputy involved shootings that you just don't hear about. There are officer involved shooting almost weekly. What you see or hear in the news is probably less than 10% of actual shootings. I guess the bad guys don't care who the shoot against.