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Last edited by vonderplatz; 08-05-2011, 3:05 PM.There's no such thing as a former Marine. - General James F. Amos, 35th Commandant of the Marine Corps
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Why is he being stopped in the first place? When you say that he has been pulled over multiple times and each there is a different "excuse", to me seems like you believe he's being pulled over for no reason. Some of the basics to start with are his car and driving habits. Does his car have tinted windows, no front plate, ect. All are lawful reasons for any police officer to conduct an enforcement stop and all are great PC. I'm not saying that your son is a criminal, but if he has any mechanical violations with his vehicle or poor driving habits, he may want to fix them.Last edited by JS89; 08-05-2011, 4:09 PM. -
the whole photo thing is because they think he is involve in gang crap or believe he is a gangster. His profile on database will be flagged "Gangster" his picture is used for records. He is basically labeled on the forehead "BAD GUY GANG INVOLVE".
pathetic and sad.
I would get in touch with the chief somehow and voice your concern directly.
I've been stopped before while walking back home from a local library. I was being asked a bunch of questions involving gang activity. LEO asked to search me for safety reason. After the search which turned up nothing but report papers and books he than told me to remove my shirt for him to take a picture. I said no as that is just stupid and is in no way related to anything. He stated If I did not do so he would place me under arrest for obstruction some sh*t.
I now have friends that are leo and for kicks and giggles I had them run me. I am still tagged and that photo is still in the database and supposedly nothing they can do to remove.
initial incident was at most 7 years ago.Comment
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I can tell you that he might actually be doing something minor to warrant getting pulled over and they are letting him slide once they learn he is a Marine. To some officers, a military ID is the equivalent of a get out of jail free card. I cannot tell you how many times mine got me out of a trouble...even when I most definitely deserved a ticket. When they did write a ticket it was usually something minor like a fix it ticket that would not affect my insurance rates. Most of the time I got a stern look and my stuff handed back to me and was sent on my way. As a youngster I had a very heavy foot and found myself pulled over all time. The tickets stopped once I had a military ID even though my driving hand not changed. My foot got lighter as I got older, but I still carry my now expired Military ID and it recently helped me get out of a speed trap (I was 5 miles over). So it still works. These days I drive like a grandpa. Comes with age I guess.
In his shoes I would put a nice big Marine Corps sticker on my rear window and nothing else. No MMA stickers, no names of his favorite bands, nothing that does not scream "good guy here". If he has his car tricked out like a punk kid...undo that crap. It screams "pull me over". If he is playing his music too loud. Stop. If he is driving like an idiot. Stop that too. I realize that he should be able to express himself all he wants to. But if it walks like a duck, talks like duck...it's dinner. The photo thing screams gang enforcement. It also screams CYA on the part of the officer. They didn't do that when I was young so I have never experienced it in person. Seems like something they would not do if he handed them his Military ID, so if he is not handing it over he needs a love tap on the back of his head.
I am not saying any of this is going on in your son's case. I am just saying that it is a possibility. In the mean time, be grateful he has a military ID and make sure he keeps it on him at all times. Right next to the driver's license so he can hand them over at the same time. Instantly tells the officer, "I'm a good guy like you". Some are jerks and could careless. They would cite their own mother. Most get it and either served or knows and respects someone who did and will try and do their best to work with you.
Just my $0.02 based on my own personal experience.Last edited by tacticalcity; 08-05-2011, 4:50 PM.Comment
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Not a leo here - but thought I would add for the conversation not mentioned yet: Salinas is in a mode right now of maximum enforcement against gangs and any possible gang members. Recall not long ago a 10 y/old child was shot by a known gang member there doing gang "business", and the community is up in arms for LE to do "something" to "fix" this real plague of a problem they have there.
It doesn't mean taking pictures of him like that is right, nor being hassled in the way you are saying it to be so - but honestly no one here but the officers there involved can tell you why they have done what you write. Could be for real PC. There are always 3 sides to a story."Just leave me alone, I know what to do." - Kimi Raikkonen
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^^^This^^^... Salinas has some very serious issues as a city, much of which are gang related. Parts of the city are darned near under siege. Google "Salinas gang violence" and see.
Quite right here as well. I would expect there is some manner of PC to stop involved. As to taking photos, they'd likely have formed an opinion based on some level of observation that the OPs son is either a wannabe or affiliate and they want to track his contacts more closely and his appearance. I'm not saying the the OP's son is, but I'm guessing based on my own experience that LEA in Salinas have something that is forming that mindset.It doesn't mean taking pictures of him like that is right, nor being hassled in the way you are saying it to be so - but honestly no one here but the officers there involved can tell you why they have done what you write. Could be for real PC. There are always 3 sides to a story.
If the OP's son has tats, has he been having additional work done? What kind of work has he had done? Does he visit with friends his own age in Salinas? If so, the question perhaps becomes what are his friends doing that is attracting LEA attention that is perhaps drawing attention to the OPs son.Last edited by BigDogatPlay; 08-05-2011, 4:51 PM.
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It might be racial profiling it might be that he drives in a manner which warrants police attention... I'd look to the later first.sigpic
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If he's getting pulled over that often he's either creating PC or it's on the car somewhere. Ask him the "excuses" and address them first.sigpic
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Maybe they stopped him for some traffic violations and gave him a break when they found out he was a Marine. It all can be depends on his attitude and demeanor, also. I have taken pictures of tattoos and faces of the drivers when they admitted they are member of the local gangs.Comment
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What's his car look like? Does it have fancy rims? Lots of chrome? Certain types of decals/stickers, etc? In other words does it look like a gang-banger car, or some other type of car commonly associated with criminal elements? He's attracting their interest for a reason, learn to be nondescript. The remove shirt for pictures thing sounds like he looks like a gang banger, does he have tatoos?
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I take it you're not a LEO, because what you're saying isn't true. First of all, to get someone listed as a documented gang member, or affiliate, takes much more than just having tattoos. There are legal guidelines for such things. Furthermore, if your LEO friends are running your name in some database and your photos are still there 7 years after your stop, I can tell you it's not the state gang database. That is, unless, you've been involved in some criminal activity in the interim.
To the OP, you would have to find out what "excuse" (by which I assume you mean probable cause, which is a legal justification for a stop) they're using to pull him over, and address those issues. Remember, your son is your son, but that doesn't mean he's making bad choices resulting in traffic stops. That doesn't mean he's a bad person, by any stretch. As far as the photos go, he can politely refuse to take off his shirt for the photos, if indeed there are no other facts to your story you may have inadvertently left out.The thing to do, my friends, is to admit to your fate with Christian resignation and live bravely until your appointed time." - Lee Marvin, "The Spikes Gang"Comment
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The only reason they would ever ask him to remove his shirt and take pictures are if he has gang related or suspected gang related tattoos on his body, you might want to talk to your son a little bit more.It always worries me when i'm at the range and i hear someone using Call of Duty as a reference.Comment
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Raiders sticker on the car?
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