Duty shotgun question

[1911su16b870]

I have two of the old 66-67 CHP wingmasters...I love those old 870s.

My personal M4 rocks, but will not cycle the low-recoil stuff. I wonder how they make the M4 work with those low-recoil loads?

We had M2s as duty guns but transitioned back to 870s.

[biochembruin]

I have two of the old 66-67 CHP wingmasters...I love those old 870s.

My personal M4 rocks, but will not cycle the low-recoil stuff. I wonder how they make the M4 work with those low-recoil loads?

We had M2s as duty guns but transitioned back to 870s.

How old is your M4? Ours regularly have problems with bird shot when new, but after putting about 100 rounds of full power buck or slug through the gun, they will cycle pretty much anything. I think it's one of the few guns that needs a legitimate break-in period.

[BigDogatPlay]

Something sounds kind of weird with issuing shotguns of any type to designated marksmen, aka snipers....

Except thats not what SFPD's use of them is. Not as I understand it anyway.

The officers, there are supposed to be at least one or two on duty in a company at all times, get heavier firepower to take out with them, both in terms of arms and ammo. They don't take the place of SWAT and snipers. They are patrol resources who can respond with firepower somewhat above that of the regular radio car crews.

And, FWIW, the current designated marksmen billets in infantry units in both Army and USMC are not snipers. Their role is the intermediate distances between where the soldier with an M4 loses effectivty and a sniper with a dedicated weapons system takes over. The military DM's are using,to great extent and good effect, re-manufactured M14s.

[Notorious]

Except thats not what SFPD's use of them is. Not as I understand it anyway.

The officers, there are supposed to be at least one or two on duty in a company at all times, get heavier firepower to take out with them, both in terms of arms and ammo. They don't take the place of SWAT and snipers. They are patrol resources who can respond with firepower somewhat above that of the regular radio car crews.

And, FWIW, the current designated marksmen billets in infantry units in both Army and USMC are not snipers. Their role is the intermediate distances between where the soldier with an M4 loses effectivty and a sniper with a dedicated weapons system takes over. The military DM's are using,to great extent and good effect, re-manufactured M14s.

Irvine PD calls their concept, the "PRO" or Primary Response Officer. They are patrol guys with extra training, ballistics shields, carbines, external armor and some other doodads that is not yet SWAT but more than patrol. They are on every shift so they always have that intermediate response level available without having to wait for SWAT.

I know of the military designation as well due to the intermediate engagements they are facing in the current theatres of deployment where the average infantry M4 might be lacking but you don't need the extra long range capability of snipers. I think the M14 with a good optic is one of the most awesome individual weapons you can field.

It just sounds weird to call someone a designated marksman but give them a shotgun. Maybe if you called them breachers or assault troops or storm troopers? That's what a shotgun conjures up more.

[Patrick Aherne]

SFPD had Beretta 1201FPs when they transitioned to 96g Centurians. They sucked for duty use. The sights broke and no one maintained them. They have switched back to 870's and now have pool patrol rifles. I don't work for them, but my brother does.

[Triad]

I feel like if I stay on top of the gas ports and keep them clean, the 11-87 will treat me well.

I have a couple 1100's and if I neglect to clean them after running them heavy the gas ports are the first thing that give me fits.

[BigDogatPlay]

I feel like if I stay on top of the gas ports and keep them clean, the 11-87 will treat me well.

I have a couple 1100's and if I neglect to clean them after running them heavy the gas ports are the first thing that give me fits.

It might be worthwhile for you to drop a PM or an e-mail to aippi in the shotgun forum. He builds custom LE and tactical 870's for a living and has shared some good knowledge on the 11-87P as well over time.

And FWIW the 1100s I've owned have always benefited from keeping the gas ports scrupulously clean and the O ring fresh.

[jerkyg]

I bought an 870 because it would be abused and used...and still shot fine. Been shooting it duck hunting for over 25 yrs...no malfunction. If it isn't broke...why fix it?

Stay safe...