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  • umie76
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 173

    Crime committed. Arrest made. No prosecution... ?

    Article in the Sacramento Bee today:
    Sacramento County DA faces new staff cuts

    Quotes from the article:

    "Case filings by law enforcement have stayed relatively consistent in the last four years, but filings by the district attorney dropped 8 percent because the office has stopped prosecuting certain crimes..."

    "The office has also seen deep cuts to support staff and investigators. The office – which is responsible for investigations once police file a case for prosecution – has lost 15 of its investigators, leaving 20, a cut of more than 42 percent. As a result, cases have been dropped or pleaded to lesser charges because investigators couldn't find witnesses or other evidence.."

    Criminals read the news, too. I'm guessing it's going to be a wild summer here.

    So what do you predict will change regarding LEO procedures/priorities/attitude/morale until budgets revive (in 2014 if we're lucky) ? Does Sac County's recent CCW 'shall issue' policy factor in at all?

    I know budget cuts have been happening for several years - so how has your job changed already?

    What can we (average joe) do to help?
    Last edited by umie76; 06-12-2011, 1:18 AM.
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    Roddd
    Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 348

    There is a constant "silent" battle between LE and the DA's Office. The charges a criminal goes into court with and leaves said courtroom with often vary greatly. The DA prosecutes what it knows it will win (understandably). It's the nature of the beast. There are many factors. Sometimes lack of witness testimony contributes, poor officer report writing ability, among many other things. As for what the general population can do, witness testimony is key. A lot of times the witness I have interviewed who are all about testifying in court at the crime scene, often are hesitant when the case finally hits a courtroom. As for what else can be done by civilians, I honestly don't know. You could demand more from the DA's Office. You could demand more from the legislature...but hey, it's California...

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    • #3
      yzErnie
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Mar 2007
      • 6309

      Originally posted by umie76
      [COLOR=black]As a result, cases have been dropped or pleaded to lesser charges because investigators couldn't find witnesses or other evidence.
      This has been going on for the 33+ years I have been in LE. It's importnat enough for people to give us a statement and then they get in the wind and we never find them.

      We had a case Wednesday night of this last week, a dude beats the living crap out of his girl and puts her in the ICU for a night...fractured orbital, broken nose, two lost teeth, cracked ribs...you get the picture. We got a "No File" notice because when the DA contacted her she told the DDA that she looooooved him and the DA's office did not believe they would be able to get a conviction. This kind of nonsense happens every day.

      What is it going to take?...IMHO, people are going to have to stand up for themselves, their families and their fellow man and not allow the pussification of society to continue.
      The satisfaction of a job well done is to be the one who has done it

      Originally posted by RazoE
      I don't feel a thing when some cop gets ghosted.

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      • #4
        nobody33
        Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 298

        Originally posted by yzernie
        What is it going to take?...IMHO, people are going to have to stand up for themselves, their families and their fellow man and not allow the pussification of society to continue.
        You said it best right there. Our society is becoming a bunch of pansy bi***es. Everyone is a victim and no one takes responsibility for their actions.

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        • #5
          Petro6golf
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 1309

          If you wanna see something scary, look at SacPD's crime map for 2010

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          • #6
            Spanky8601
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 2270

            Originally posted by yzernie

            What is it going to take?...IMHO, people are going to have to stand up for themselves, their families and their fellow man and not allow the pussification of society to continue.
            Look that up in your Funk and Wagner. I love creative and descriptive terms that can say so much in one word.
            May I always be the type of person my dog thinks I am

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            • #7
              Falconis
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 1688

              Originally posted by umie76
              Article in the Sacramento Bee today:
              Sacramento County DA faces new staff cuts

              Quotes from the article:

              "Case filings by law enforcement have stayed relatively consistent in the last four years, but filings by the district attorney dropped 8 percent because the office has stopped prosecuting certain crimes..."

              "As a result, cases have been dropped or pleaded to lesser charges because investigators couldn't find witnesses or other evidence.."

              Criminals read the news, too. I'm guessing it's going to be a wild summer here.

              So what do you predict will change regarding LEO procedures/priorities/attitude/morale until budgets revive (in 2014 if we're lucky) ? Does Sac County's recent CCW 'shall issue' policy factor in at all?

              I know budget cuts have been happening for several years - so how has your job changed already?

              What can we (average joe) do to help?
              Damn near fell out of my chair when I read that.

              You as the average citizen should see where your tax money goes locally. The problem with the city I work for is that we do have the money to pay for basic city services. The reason we don't have any money is because the politicians keep earmarking a portion of the budget for their pet projects. An old Chief of ours use to comment what good is it to keep the library open 7 days a week when you have to shoot in and out of it. Once you find the worthless pet projects of politicians, go to the council and demand that the pet social project be shut down in favor or saving a public safety or public works position.

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              • #8
                Notorious
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 4695

                The problems are too long to list or discuss here in a simple post.

                We, the street cops, make an arrest based on PROBABLE CAUSE, then submit all the evidence we have to the DA, who has to review it and see if they can get a conviction based on REASONABLE DOUBT, which is a substantially higher threshhold.

                Now, realistically, we pretty much arrest based on what we see or what we get in witness testimony and direct evidence when it's patrol level. Detectives get more into the indirect evidence and build cases around circumstantial stuff and whatnot.

                The DA has to translate all that into the courtroom, go through the physical evidence, witness testimony, procedures in evidence gathering, reliability of witnesses, everything, into one cogent mess which he thinks he can sell to a jury to the level of beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT. Not an easy thing to do with the way the system works and how life is on the streets.

                People forget, disappear, change their minds, get intimidated, lie, forgive, name it... we lose more witnesses than anything else as the trial drags on. Then there are those who call us for help and when we sort it out, they decide they didn't want to press charges when it's all said and done. They just wanted to make a point.

                Then you get the DA's who are swamped and just want to settle what they can to get rid of their workload. In LA County, a plea bargain is the same as a conviction for their internal stats so there is an incentive for take a lesser crime plea than go to trial.
                I like guns

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                • #9
                  J_B
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 522

                  Yes...it's been frustrating to deal with this in Sac and I'm sure everywhere else. BUT what do ya do? Continue to make the arrests/submit reports.
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