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  • Danz la Nuit
    Banned
    • Jan 2011
    • 2283

    DUI Checkpoint Clarifications?

    The driver is required to state if they have been drinking? How does this work if the driver states that he doesn't want to answer any questions under the 5th amendment?

    Is the driver is required to submit to a field sobriety test? Can the driver refuse a visual/physical exam and request a blood test? Can the driver also refuse a breathalyzer test and request a blood test?

    Is the driver is required to present a drivers license at the checkpoint if asked, even if there is no suspicion of being intoxicated or violation of any other law?
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    tyrist
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2007
    • 4564

    You are not allowed to refuse a breathalyzer or blood test.

    You still have a 5th amendment right and are able to remain verbally silent. Refusing the Standard Field Sobriety Test will be used against you in court.

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    • #3
      E Pluribus Unum
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2006
      • 8097

      Originally posted by tyrist
      You are not allowed to refuse a breathalyzer or blood test.
      God... not this again...


      You are only required to take a breath or blood test AFTER a lawful arrest for DUI. On the roadside, the PAS (Primary Alcohol Screening) Breathalyzer is completely voluntary and mere refusal is NOT grounds for arrest.

      The plain and simple fact is that absent any other evidence, the police cannot remove you from the vehicle and compel a test.


      This was all hashed out here:

      Originally posted by Alan Gura
      The Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs
      Originally posted by hoffmang
      12050[CCW] licenses will be shall issue soon.

      -Gene
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      • #4
        E Pluribus Unum
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2006
        • 8097

        Originally posted by DTOMSD
        The driver is required to state if they have been drinking?
        How does this work if the driver states that he doesn't want to answer any questions under the 5th amendment?
        No... we are not required to speak to the police... though at a DUI checkpoint, it is advisable to be respectful, and speak with them in a limited capacity.

        Originally posted by DTOMSD
        Is the driver is required to submit to a field sobriety test?
        Can the driver refuse a visual/physical exam and request a blood test?
        Can the driver also refuse a breathalyzer test and request a blood test?
        No
        Yes
        Yes

        This is until, of course, he is lawfully arrested for DUI. Then he must submit to breath or blood (his choice) or he loses his license for 1 year.

        Originally posted by DTOMSD
        Is the driver is required to present a drivers license at the checkpoint if asked, even if there is no suspicion of being intoxicated or violation of any other law?
        Yes.... if he is on the roadway, he is required to show license , registration, and proof of insurance.
        Last edited by retired; 05-07-2011, 12:47 AM. Reason: not in the leo forum
        Originally posted by Alan Gura
        The Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs
        Originally posted by hoffmang
        12050[CCW] licenses will be shall issue soon.

        -Gene
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        • #5
          tyrist
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 4564

          Originally posted by E Pluribus Unum
          God... not this again...


          You are only required to take a breath or blood test AFTER a lawful arrest for DUI. On the roadside, the PAS (Primary Alcohol Screening) Breathalyzer is completely voluntary and mere refusal is NOT grounds for arrest.

          The plain and simple fact is that absent any other evidence, the police cannot remove you from the vehicle and compel a test.


          This was all hashed out here:

          http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=140927
          I was not referring to the PAS (PRELIMINARY ALCOHOL SCREENING) test. I was referring to the test after the arrest is made.
          Last edited by tyrist; 05-05-2011, 7:05 PM.

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          • #6
            BigDogatPlay
            Calguns Addict
            • Jun 2007
            • 7362

            IBTL....
            -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

            Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

            Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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            • #7
              SVT-40
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2008
              • 12894

              Talking is optional.

              All field sobriety tests are optional.

              However based on the officers opinion he could make an arrest without any tests based on your objective symptoms of alcohol intoxication.

              If you are arrested you are required to submit to a blood or breath test. You get to choose, however if the officer suspects ( based on his training and experience) that you are under the influence of drugs he can insist you submit to a blood test after you have completed a breath test if that is the test you choose.

              I'm not going to post the authority sections listed in the CVC which allow this, as they are long and involved.



              Presenting a license and registration is not optional and is a violation of law.
              CVC

              12951. (a) The licensee shall have the valid driver's license
              issued to him or her in his or her immediate possession at all times
              when driving a motor vehicle upon a highway.
              Any charge under this subdivision shall be dismissed when the
              person charged produces in court a driver's license duly issued to
              that person and valid at the time of his or her arrest, except that
              upon a third or subsequent charge the court in its discretion may
              dismiss the charge. When a temporary, interim, or duplicate driver's
              license is produced in court, the charge shall not be dismissed
              unless the court has been furnished proof by the Department of Motor
              Vehicles that the temporary, interim, or duplicate license was issued
              prior to the arrest, that the driving privilege and license had not
              been suspended or revoked, and that the person was eligible for the
              temporary, interim, or duplicate license.
              (b) The driver of a motor vehicle shall present his or her license
              for examination upon demand of a peace officer enforcing the
              provisions of this code.



              4462. (a) The driver of a motor vehicle shall present the
              registration or identification card or other evidence of registration
              of any or all vehicles under his or her immediate control for
              examination upon demand of any peace officer.

              Conducting a DUI check point is enforcing the provisions of the California Vehicle Code, so you are mandated to provide it upon demand.
              Last edited by SVT-40; 05-05-2011, 10:33 PM.
              Poke'm with a stick!


              Originally posted by fiddletown
              What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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              • #8
                Jonathan Doe

                Just don't drive while drunk. Problem solved.

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                • #9
                  haodoken
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 516

                  Originally posted by topgun7
                  Just don't drive while drunk. Problem solved.
                  +1 But you know what...A lot of people have no respect for the safety of others. They'll drive while intoxicated until they crash into or kill someone else. The sad thing is it will be someone else's loved one.
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                  • #10
                    yzErnie
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 6309

                    This topic has been discussed ad nauseam here on CGN. Do a search and you'll find your answers.
                    The satisfaction of a job well done is to be the one who has done it

                    Originally posted by RazoE
                    I don't feel a thing when some cop gets ghosted.

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                    • #11
                      GrizzlyGuy
                      Gun Runner to The Stars
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • May 2009
                      • 5468

                      The info above is all correct, but note that you won't always have a choice of the method used in the post-arrest chemical test (e.g., blood vs. urine). There are some links in my post here that you can follow for additional info from DUI defense attorneys.
                      Gun law complexity got you down? Get the FAQs, Jack!

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                      • #12
                        E Pluribus Unum
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 8097

                        Originally posted by GrizzlyGuy
                        The info above is all correct, but note that you won't always have a choice of the method used in the post-arrest chemical test (e.g., blood vs. urine). There are some links in my post here that you can follow for additional info from DUI defense attorneys.
                        Urine is no longer a choice.... It's up to the person arrested, and the choices are Blood, or Breath. If it is refused, blood can be forcefully taken.... but if done voluntarily, it's up to the arrested person.
                        Originally posted by Alan Gura
                        The Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs
                        Originally posted by hoffmang
                        12050[CCW] licenses will be shall issue soon.

                        -Gene
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                        • #13
                          GrizzlyGuy
                          Gun Runner to The Stars
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • May 2009
                          • 5468

                          Originally posted by E Pluribus Unum
                          Urine is no longer a choice.... It's up to the person arrested, and the choices are Blood, or Breath. If it is refused, blood can be forcefully taken.... but if done voluntarily, it's up to the arrested person.
                          A urine test isn't the preferred method of the government, but it may still be used on rare occasions. The person arrested may or may not be given a choice of the method. See what I linked to above:

                          Most California DUIs involve alcohol. Breath and blood tests are therefore the first tests that are typically offered, as these are the tests that most accurately test for alcohol consumption.

                          *Note: Urine tests have been determined to be too unreliable in detecting alcohol. As a result, a urine test would only be used for alcohol detection if, for some bizarre reason, neither a breath nor blood test were availableThe bottom line is that you only have a choice of tests when a choice is presented to you.
                          See also here:

                          In California, it used to be that a person arrested on suspicion of DUI was entitled to a choice between a blood or a breath test. Currently, in San Diego, the choice of which chemical test to administer is typically at the discretion of the arresting police officer.
                          Gun law complexity got you down? Get the FAQs, Jack!

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