Question on a CVC 24601 Violation

[Southwest Chuck]

I searched the forum but didn't quite get an answer to my exact question, so I would appreciate any incite on my question. I got stopped by a NF LEO Ranger while in the Angeles National Forest (LA County) and got a fix-it-ticket for a non- working license plate lamp (CVC24601). The officer told me that it wasn't a big deal and that I just needed to get it fixed and show up in court to have it signed off. However after a more closer examination of the ticket, he checked that it was "non-correctable" instead of correctable. What does this mean, and is there a fine attached? Also is this a moving violation? I've searched the code and can't seem to come up with the answers.

I did find this, however:

(b) Pursuant to subdivision (a), a notice to correct violation shall be issued as provided in this section or a notice to appear shall be issued as provided in Section 40522, unless the officer finds any of the following:

(1) Evidence of fraud or persistent neglect.

(2) The violation presents an immediate safety hazard.

(3) The violator does not agree to, or cannot, promptly correct the violation.

Non of the highlighted items apply in my case, so why did he cite it as non-correctable and what would you recommend my actions to be?

[jaysen]

I searched the forum but didn't quite get an answer to my exact question, so I would appreciate any incite on my question. I got stopped by a NF LEO Ranger while in the Angeles National Forest (LA County) and got a fix-it-ticket for a non- working license plate lamp (CVC24601). The officer told me that it wasn't a big deal and that I just needed to get it fixed and show up in court to have it signed off. However after a more closer examination of the ticket, he checked that it was "non-correctable" instead of correctable. What does this mean, and is there a fine attached? Also is this a moving violation? I've searched the code and can't seem to come up with the answers.

I did find this, however:


Non of the highlighted items apply in my case, so why did he cite it as non-correctable and what would you recommend my actions to be?

Very possible it was just an over-sight on his side - genuine error. I've accidentally checked non-correctable on citations where my intention was to list as correctable. And in those cases, I issued a correction letter noting the change.

Were human, remember

On that note; I would call and ask to speak with Officer at his/her department - Don't go speaking to his/her Watch Commander or Sergeant, speak to the Officer directly. Remind him/her of your conversation during the traffic stop and how he/she stated "it wasn't a big deal" and that you "needed to get it fixed and show up in court to have it signed off". Inquire politely as to why the box "non-correctable" was checked off... I'm sure if he/she is reasonable will realize it was a mistake and will assist in getting it corrected.

The flip side to all this if you frequent the area and have been stopped and warned re: the light in the past, then he probably checked it for a reason. The purpose of issuing a "non-correctable" citation for an equipment violation that is "Correctable" are for those repeat offenders who continually disregard the Officers warning/citations. A perfect example are the Window-Tint offenders who have a friend/family member who signs their tickets off on a weekly basis without correcting the issue. It irks me to see the same person I've cited on numerous occasions for the same equipment violation and never correct the issue. The fine for a non-correctable, depending on the violation, can be $150+ as opposed to $14.

[22348b cvc]

If you show the court it is fixed it will be treated as corrected. What I would advise is to get it fixed and have an officer sign off that it is corrected and take that down to court with any receipts you have for parts or labor you incurred to correct it. With that all judges that I have dealt with will make it correctable and you will just owe the $25 fee for a correctable violation.

[Southwest Chuck]

Very possible it was just an over-sight on his side - genuine error. I've accidentally checked non-correctable on citations where my intention was to list as correctable. And in those cases, I issued a correction letter noting the change.

Were human, remember

On that note; I would call and ask to speak with Officer at his/her department - Don't go speaking to his/her Watch Commander or Sergeant, speak to the Officer directly. Remind him/her of your conversation during the traffic stop and how he/she stated "it wasn't a big deal" and that you "needed to get it fixed and show up in court to have it signed off". Inquire politely as to why the box "non-correctable" was checked off... I'm sure if he/she is reasonable will realize it was a mistake and will assist in getting it corrected.

The flip side to all this if you frequent the area and have been stopped and warned re: the light in the past, then he probably checked it for a reason. The purpose of issuing a "non-correctable" citation for an equipment violation that is "Correctable" are for those repeat offenders who continually disregard the Officers warning/citations. A perfect example are the Window-Tint offenders who have a friend/family member who signs their tickets off on a weekly basis without correcting the issue. It irks me to see the same person I've cited on numerous occasions for the same equipment violation and never correct the issue. The fine for a non-correctable, depending on the violation, can be $150+ as opposed to $14.

No, never been stopped before, or warned. Wow $150.00 for a bulb? I guess I'll call and try to talk to him. Should I just call the local ranger station for info. (Glendora I believe) or ? is there another number for the USFS LE office?

Thanks again for the response.

[Southwest Chuck]

Also, is this a moving violation and will it affect my insurance rates because of it?

[22348b cvc]

Also, is this a moving violation and will it affect my insurance rates because of it?

Mechanical only- no point-
If you don't take care of it then the court suspends your license and that would affect your insurance.

[Southwest Chuck]

Mechanical only- no point-
If you don't take care of it then the court suspends your license and that would affect your insurance.

I appreciate the info. Thanks It will be taken care of, I assure you!

[BigDogatPlay]

What does this mean...

It means, IMO, that the ranger is being chicken bleep. Unless he is working under a "if you stop someone you better cite them for something" policy.

But that's just my opinion.

[Southwest Chuck]

It means, IMO, that the ranger is being chicken bleep. Unless he is working under a "if you stop someone you better cite them for something" policy.

But that's just my opinion.

To be honest, that was my initial "gut" reaction when I read it. Hope that I'm wrong about that, and that it was an honest mistake. I always try and give the benefit of the doubt. We'll see when I contact him.

[nobody33]

It means, IMO, that the ranger is being chicken bleep. Unless he is working under a "if you stop someone you better cite them for something" policy.

But that's just my opinion.

Why not issue a cite? Then you know it will be taken care of and the stop is entered into the computer system for future contacts. The only time I don't issue fix it tickets for that type of stop is because I want to be able to pull over the car again.

For every mechanical violation I stop maybe one in four was already given a verbal warning and did nothing to take care of it. There's a lot of people who lack self motivation. It's not being CS.

But that's ok.. there's a lot of people who think immigration laws, environmental laws, and DUI's are all CS enforcement too. oh well.

[Southwest Chuck]

Why not issue a cite? Then you know it will be taken care of and the stop is entered into the computer system for future contacts. The only time I don't issue fix it tickets for that type of stop is because I want to be able to pull over the car again.

For every mechanical violation I stop maybe one in four was already given a verbal warning and did nothing to take care of it. There's a lot of people who lack self motivation. It's not being CS.

But that's ok.. there's a lot of people who think immigration laws, environmental laws, and DUI's are all CS enforcement too. oh well.

If I may, then, why the non-correctable part?

Also, the bolded part above is a little over the top, don't you think?

[HarrisonS004]

If I may, then, why the non-correctable part?

Also, the bolded part above is a little over the top, don't you think?

I don't think thats over the top. I have talked to many idiots who think DUI's are unnecessary or just get innocent people in trouble for no reason. Anyone who has seen or been involved in a DUI accident can assure you thats not true.