Magazines

[ap3572001]

I am aware that in CA no one can offer full cap. magazines for sale.
What is a correct way to offer them for sale ( with a firearm) to an LEO.?
Like form LEO to LEO sale.
Or offer them for sale ( with a firearm) out of state , where they are legal to own.

Thank You.

[Falconis]

ummm not sure I understand what you are asking. If you want to sell the mags you have, I think you have to sell them out of state, to an LEO, or to an authorized dealer like you stated.

[ap3572001]

ummm not sure I understand what you are asking. If you want to sell the mags you have, I think you have to sell them out of state, to an LEO, or to an authorized dealer like you stated.

Ok. But is it ok to advertise them (with a firearm) in Ca? Or even on GB.I don't think it is.

[97F1504RAD]

Break them down into rebuild kits.

[DesertGunner]

How about this:
"One umpteen round AR/Glock/HK/etc. mag for sale (LE only!)"

[CaptMike]

From the Cal Guns Wiki page

"Simple possession of a large-capacity magazine is not prohibited. Note that it is illegal to offer or expose for sale a large-capacity magazine in California. This has the practical implication that one can not list a large-capacity magazine for sale on the internet to in or out of state buyers. One can disassemble the large-capacity magazine and sell the parts in or out of state. "

so even to a LEO, you cannot sell a mag since selling is the act. Even if the LEO is excempt to purchase, you cannot sell. There are a couple of exceptions but the easiest thing is to simply break it down and sell it as a kit. here is the Wiki for your reading pleasure

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Large-capacity_magazine_restrictions

[Notorious]

Break it down or since you have to deal with a FFL, go to one with a large capacity permit and give them to the dealer and let the dealer give them to the LEO. And yes, breaking them down is the easiest way but if you have say, magazines which are not so easy to disassemble like an AR drum mag... Then you have to do what you have to do.

[POINTMANDDT]

Break them down into rebuild kits.

Exactly, if there is any doubt always break down the magazine into parts and sell as kits.

[jamesonamac]

From the Cal Guns Wiki page

"Simple possession of a large-capacity magazine is not prohibited. Note that it is illegal to offer or expose for sale a large-capacity magazine in California. This has the practical implication that one can not list a large-capacity magazine for sale on the internet to in or out of state buyers. One can disassemble the large-capacity magazine and sell the parts in or out of state. "

so even to a LEO, you cannot sell a mag since selling is the act. Even if the LEO is excempt to purchase, you cannot sell. There are a couple of exceptions but the easiest thing is to simply break it down and sell it as a kit. here is the Wiki for your reading pleasure

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...e_restrictions

Fud. You can sell your hi-caps to leo without taking them apart. You are quoting pc1220 (a). If you read further you would notice: pc 1220 (b) Subdivision (a) does NOT apply to the following. Then read (19). Anyone selling or giving a hi capacity mag to leo is covered by this.

[TheKlawMan]

Fud. You can sell your hi-caps to leo without taking them apart. You are quoting pc1220 (a). If you read further you would notice: pc 1220 (b) Subdivision (a) does NOT apply to the following. Then read (19). Anyone selling or giving a hi capacity mag to leo is covered by this.

That covers the LEO buying or selling, but does it cover your selling?

[jamesonamac]

That covers the LEO buying or selling, but does it cover your selling?

Yes.

[TheKlawMan]

Fud. You can sell your hi-caps to leo without taking them apart. You are quoting pc1220 (a). If you read further you would notice: pc 1220 (b) Subdivision (a) does NOT apply to the following. Then read (19). Anyone selling or giving a hi capacity mag to leo is covered by this.

PC 12020 pertains to the sale to a Law Enforcement Agency, but where does it allow for the sale to an Officer?

It reads, with the unnecessary verbage deleted:

(b)Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
. . . . . . . . . .
(19)The sale of . . . any large-capacity magazine to or by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law, for use by agency employees in the discharge of their official duties whether on or off duty, and where the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.

If you can explain how 12020(b) fits, it seems to merely provide for possession long enough for transportation to a law enforcement agency for disposition according to law it would be appreciated.

"(16)Any instrument, ammunition, weapon, or device listed in subdivision (a) that is not a firearm that is found and possessed by a person who meets all of the following:
(A)The person is not prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition pursuant to Section 12021 or 12021.1 or paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 12316 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.
(B)The person possessed the instrument, ammunition, weapon, or device no longer than was necessary to deliver or transport the same to a law enforcement agency for that agency's disposition according to law.
(C)If the person is transporting the listed item, he or she is transporting the listed item to a law enforcement agency for disposition according to law."

[jamesonamac]

PC 12020 pertains to the sale to a Law Enforcement Agency, but where does it allow for the sale to an Officer?

It reads, with the unnecessary verbage deleted:

(b)Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
. . . . . . . . . .
(19)The sale of . . . any large-capacity magazine to or by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law, for use by agency employees in the discharge of their official duties whether on or off duty, and where the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.

If you can explain how 12020(b) fits, it seems to merely provide for possession long enough for transportation to a law enforcement agency for disposition according to law it would be appreciated.

"(16)Any instrument, ammunition, weapon, or device listed in subdivision (a) that is not a firearm that is found and possessed by a person who meets all of the following:
(A)The person is not prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition pursuant to Section 12021 or 12021.1 or paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 12316 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.
(B)The person possessed the instrument, ammunition, weapon, or device no longer than was necessary to deliver or transport the same to a law enforcement agency for that agency's disposition according to law.
(C)If the person is transporting the listed item, he or she is transporting the listed item to a law enforcement agency for disposition according to law."

Pc 1220 (b) "Subdivision (a) DOES NOT APPLY TO THE FOLLOWING:
Pc 1220 (b) 19 "The sale of...any large capicity magazine TO...any federal, state, county, city...bla bla bla.

19 covers anyone selling a high cap TO a LEO.
20 covers LEO importation, etc.
21 covers "licenced" persons.
22 covers loaning.
etc.

The op asked about LEO to LEO transfer of hi cap magazines. Clearly that is a legal transaction. Further, any private person legally owning hi caps can do the same. The section you cited (16) applies to the weapons described in subdivision (a) and does NOT apply to magazines since magazines are specifically described in their own special sections further down in 19, 20, 21 etc.

[TheKlawMan]

Pc 1220 (b) "Subdivision (a) DOES NOT APPLY TO THE FOLLOWING:
Pc 1220 (b) 19 "The sale of...any large capicity magazine TO...any federal, state, county, city...bla bla bla.

19 covers anyone selling a high cap TO a LEO.
20 covers LEO importation, etc.
21 covers "licenced" persons.
22 covers loaning.
etc.

The op asked about LEO to LEO transfer of hi cap magazines. Clearly that is a legal transaction. Further, any private person legally owning hi caps can do the same. The section you cited (16) applies to the weapons described in subdivision (a) and does NOT apply to magazines since magazines are specifically described in their own special sections further down in 19, 20, 21 etc.

It wasn't clear that the OP was asking about LEO to LEO. Regardless, your citation was to (b)(19) which does not apply to a sale to a LEO but to a agency. (b)(20 indeed covers sales to a LEO.