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Hey JetlagOriginally posted by JETLAG
Before the 2000 ban, I bought and gave 20 30 round AR mags to my daughter. I also bought and gave my daughter 4 15 round mags for her beretta 92. I also bought her 10 30 round ak mags for an AK that I am going to build her. I also bought her several other standard capacity mags for all of our current guns and guns we didnt even own. She was 4 at the time and is now about to hit 16. She owned them at 4 (no age minimum to acquire mags in law). My math works great and my daughter is the proud owner of plenty of standard capacity magazines. Being 21 does not mean anything. Now if you are 11 years old now, then their may be some issues.
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uhhh....yeah. You can BUY them too. Purchasing isn't illegal. The guy who sells them is commiting a crime, but you aren't. This is such a clear cut not illegal thing that if you were arrested you would have a huge lawsuit against the arresting officer and department. Last time i checked wrongful arrest suits are settled around the million dollar range....so yeah, it kinda would be worth it for me to exercise my legal rights and have some jackhole make a million dollar mistake in my favor. Educate yourself about the law before you start making wild claims about it. And remember, if you say nothing, all they have you on is possession which isn't a crime, NO MATTER HOW OLD YOU ARE!!!!!!!Originally posted by JETLAGLast edited by IrishPirate; 02-25-2011, 3:10 PM.sigpic
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May the Bridges I burn light the way.
Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain.
Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728).Comment
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It's a good thing you are not a lawyer, because you would not win any cases "resting" on that.Originally posted by JETLAG
My buddy's son is 15.
He legally owns several 30rd mags for his Ruger 10/22. My buddy bought and gave them to him in late 1999. He gave him his 10/22 when he turned 8, but the magazines were already his.
Legal to receive, legal to find.you "Found them"?
Once more... Provide us with ONE case law cite that indicates a conviction of someone who was caught with high capacity magazines, where no other felonies were charged that were actually the focus of the investigation.Depending on who catches you they will either take them away or you will go to jail and then plead your case. Is it worth it? Attorney fees and all
You won't, because you can't, because there have not been any.
You can walk right up to Nancy Pelosi holding a 100rd AR15 Beta-C drum magazine and there is not a single thing she can do about it.
Possession is not illegal.
For the person in possession of a high cap to be charged with anything, the state must have evidence to prove that the person either imported or assembled it within the last 36 months.
Once again... Read the law. I'll quote it again to save you the trouble of looking it up:
But you still have some "looking up" to do if you are going to find a conviction under the high cap law that did not also involve assault weapons or some other felony.12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be
manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or
exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity
magazine.Last edited by Cokebottle; 02-25-2011, 4:44 PM.- Rich
Originally posted by dantoddComment
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May the Bridges I burn light the way.
Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain.
Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728).Comment
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nothing in the law prohibits you from keeping magazines you've found, so long as you found them in CA or didn't bring them accross state lines in usable form if you found them outside CA.sigpic
Most civilization is based on cowardice. It's so easy to civilize by teaching cowardice. You water down the standards which would lead to bravery. You restrain the will. You regulate the appetites. You fence in the horizons. You make a law for every movement. You deny the existence of chaos. You teach even the children to breathe slowly. You tame.
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Maybe.
It depends on how you read "The sale of, giving of, lending of, importation into this state of, or purchase of, any large-capacity magazine to or by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law"PC 12020(b)Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(19)The sale of, giving of, lending of, importation into this state of, or purchase of, any large-capacity magazine to or by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law, for use by agency employees in the discharge of their official duties whether on or off duty, and where the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.
Legislative goof? Legitimate exemption?
Let's look at another exemption in the same PC:
See the difference?PC 12020(b)Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(12)The sale to, possession of, or purchase of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law for use in the discharge of their official duties, or the possession of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by peace officers thereof when on duty and the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.
"The sale of, giving of, lending of, importation into this state of, or purchase of, any large-capacity magazine to or by any..."
"The sale to, possession of, or purchase of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by any..."
Seems that the LEO exemption MAY allow for a LEO to sell a high cap, because of the "to or by" verbiage.
The other exemption does not include this verbiage.
And just for kicks... Here's the complete list of PC 12020(b) exemptions that apply to magazines:
PC 12020(b)
Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(19)The sale of, giving of, lending of, importation into this state of, or purchase of, any large-capacity magazine to or by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law, for use by agency employees in the discharge of their official duties whether on or off duty, and where the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.
(20)The sale to, lending to, transfer to, purchase by, receipt of, or importation into this state of, a large-capacity magazine by a sworn peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her duties.
(21)The sale or purchase of any large-capacity magazine to or by a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071.
(22)The loan of a lawfully possessed large-capacity magazine between two individuals if all of the following conditions are met:
(A)The person being loaned the large-capacity magazine is not prohibited by Section 12021, 12021.1, or 12101 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code from possessing firearms or ammunition.
(B)The loan of the large-capacity magazine occurs at a place or location where the possession of the large-capacity magazine is not otherwise prohibited and the person who lends the large-capacity magazine remains in the accessible vicinity of the person to whom the large-capacity magazine is loaned.
(23)The importation of a large-capacity magazine by a person who lawfully possessed the large-capacity magazine in the state prior to January 1, 2000, lawfully took it out of the state, and is returning to the state with the large-capacity magazine previously lawfully possessed in the state.
(24)The lending or giving of any large-capacity magazine to a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071, or to a gunsmith, for the purposes of maintenance, repair, or modification of that large-capacity magazine.
(25)The return to its owner of any large-capacity magazine by a person specified in paragraph (24).
(26)The importation into this state of, or sale of, any large-capacity magazine by a person who has been issued a permit to engage in those activities pursuant to Section 12079, when those activities are in accordance with the terms and conditions of that permit.
(27)The sale of, giving of, lending of, importation into this state of, or purchase of, any large-capacity magazine, to or by entities that operate armored vehicle businesses pursuant to the laws of this state.
(28)The lending of large-capacity magazines by the entities specified in paragraph (27) to their authorized employees, while in the course and scope of their employment for purposes that pertain to the entity's armored vehicle business.
(29)The return of those large-capacity magazines to those entities specified in paragraph (27) by those employees specified in paragraph (28).
(30)(A)The manufacture of a large-capacity magazine for any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law, for use by agency employees in the discharge of their official duties whether on or off duty, and where the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.
(B)The manufacture of a large-capacity magazine for use by a sworn peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her duties.
(C)The manufacture of a large-capacity magazine for export or for sale to government agencies or the military pursuant to applicable federal regulations.
(31)The loan of a large-capacity magazine for use solely as a prop for a motion picture, television, or video production.
(32)The purchase of a large-capacity magazine by the holder of a special weapons permit issued pursuant to Section 12095, 12230, 12250, 12286, or 12305, for any of the following purposes:
(A)For use solely as a prop for a motion picture, television, or video production.
(B)For export pursuant to federal regulations.
(C)For resale to law enforcement agencies, government agencies, or the military, pursuant to applicable federal regulations.- Rich
Originally posted by dantoddComment
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For the love of all that is holy, read this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=387409Comment
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Don't make rebuild kits into complete mags unless they are rebuilding a magazine you already legally owned, otherwise its a felony.NRA Lifetime Member
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Just don't go finding any betas or other really expensive magazines.
one hundred dollars ($100) or more, within a reasonable time turn the property over to the police department of the city or city and county, if found therein, or to the sheriff's department of the county...Comment
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