AIR CCW FOR LEO/RETIRED LEO

[DEPUTYBILL]

I am sorry if this item has been covered in another area. I was at work yesterday and a fellow deputy brought this up. Was there a bill or federal regulation pending that would allow LEO/retired LEO's the ability to carry on air flights? It seems I saw something on this being proposed,but I never saw any follow-up on it.

[Tallship]

I think you're confusing that with the FFDO law that passed some time ago. No such law that I know of.

[BigDogatPlay]

LEOSA does not allow carry by active or honorably retired in a passenger aircraft. There was, I'd heard, a proposed program for local officers to specifically qualify to be able to carry on board, but I have not seen anything that indicates that program ever went into operation.

FFDO, some federal criminal investigators, and air marshals are the only people I am personally aware of that are legally authorized to carry on board

[5shot]

Unless it's been repealed, there is federal law that allows state, city, county, peace officers to fly while armed. If you complied with the FAA training requirements. The FAA requirement was a simple 30 minute FAA video "Flying while Armed", in addition to your departments regular firearms training.
I don't recall if this was for on duty only (extraditions, investigations, prisoner transport, etc). And you were not issued any type of certification/card. Your agency only had to have a record of your completing the required training. I went thru it around 2001/02 and retired in 2004. So I don't know if it's still in effect.

[bobfried]

It's a bit different now if you want to fly armed, the policy changed a while back. First off, pretty much anyone federal that has arrest powers and carries on duty can fly armed if they have taken that flying armed course and their agency has no policy against it. But due to past incidents that were major security breach there is now an additional step beyond the badge, sign and fly process.

This new step was put in about 6 months ago and is in effect for all federal LE agency that can fly armed. There is now something you have to request and know before hand that serves as a better safeguard.

The problem is a local LE would have to know this additional step, but if their respective agency is not participating than they won't know this. And when they do show up to fly armed, even with the Chief's letter as was previously, they won't be allowed to. So unless you can get a Chief's letter stating the reason why you must fly armed and your agency participates in the new program your not going to be able to fly armed as a local LEO.

Retired LEO have no standing at all in this arena because they do not hold any arrest/investigative powers other than that of a private person. When you fly armed you are effectively an Air Marshall and a private citizen would not be allowed to act in such a capacity.

[gorn5150]

Unless it's been repealed, there is federal law that allows state, city, county, peace officers to fly while armed. If you complied with the FAA training requirements. The FAA requirement was a simple 30 minute FAA video "Flying while Armed", in addition to your departments regular firearms training.
I don't recall if this was for on duty only (extraditions, investigations, prisoner transport, etc). And you were not issued any type of certification/card. Your agency only had to have a record of your completing the required training. I went thru it around 2001/02 and retired in 2004. So I don't know if it's still in effect.

You are correct, but it does not cover those of us who have retired.

[1911su16b870]

The FAA Flying Armed video is on the POST learning portal and goes into what steps LE has to do prior to flying.

[Triad]

When I worked transportation a few years back, I flew out of state armed both ways on the plane for a prisoner extradition. Was a surreal experience...but I had to take a few training classes and break my hand on filling forms out to do it.

[CaptMike]

here are the rules

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/programs/traveling_with_guns.shtm

[DEPUTYBILL]

Thanks everyone for your information!

[kw91364]

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[5shot]

Actually the information from 5shot is INCORRECT. Local LEO's have been and still can not fly armed off-duty on commercial aircraft. The law has not changed in regards to this. Local LE still MUST have a need and it must be work related/on-duty (plus jump through some other hoops). Going home from a prisoner transfer/extradition is one thing, but trying to go armed on board a plane for vacation with the family will not fly...no pun intended.

So what part that I posted was incorrect?

[MaHoTex]

LEOSA does not allow carry by active or honorably retired in a passenger aircraft. There was, I'd heard, a proposed program for local officers to specifically qualify to be able to carry on board, but I have not seen anything that indicates that program ever went into operation.

FFDO, some federal criminal investigators, and air marshals are the only people I am personally aware of that are legally authorized to carry on board

And some pilots...

[lrdchivalry]

I am sorry if this item has been covered in another area. I was at work yesterday and a fellow deputy brought this up. Was there a bill or federal regulation pending that would allow LEO/retired LEO's the ability to carry on air flights? It seems I saw something on this being proposed,but I never saw any follow-up on it.

Hmmm. I know I posted in this thread already and my post seems to have disappeared.

Only on official business.

[crackerman]

And some pilots...

MAlex, FYI That is what FFDOs are. Federal Flight Deck Officers