City Cops Jurisdictions

[gdun]

I've noticed recently that there have been Elk grove city cops posted up just outside of their city limits. They are trying to catch speeders, and i've seen them catch quite a few as i travel this road every day. Most of the time they don't hit their lights until they are in city limits, however, today i noticed one pull a man over outside of his city limits. Most of the time it is motors, but i have seen patrol cars there also. EGPD is no longer contracted with Sac sheriff, so how is it ok for them to do this?

[Unit74]

Peace officers have jurisdiction statewide. There is no line except state lines.

[jtmkinsd]

Peace officers have jurisdiction statewide. There is no line except state lines.

So is it a just a courtesy for an LE who pulls over someone outside their "jurisdiction" to call an officer from the area they're in to actually write the citation? Case in point: Many years ago my brother got pulled over in El Cajon, CA by a San Diego police unit (El Cajon is it's own incorporated city with it's own police department. Reason for the stop was license plate light not functioning. The San Diego officer had him wait about 45 minutes until an El Cajon officer arrived and wrote the cite. Now I don't know the particulars about what was said and the play by play of the stop so I'm not making any judgement on that...although I still give my brother **** about having to wait so long for a fix it ticket...lol. But if the above is true, why didn't SDPD just cite him and be on his way?

[Unit74]

No clue... you do have to cite into the local court though. So if I am from x city and write a cite two counties away I have cite into that area court is all.

[5shot]

So is it a just a courtesy for an LE who pulls over someone outside their "jurisdiction" to call an officer from the area they're in to actually write the citation? Case in point: Many years ago my brother got pulled over in El Cajon, CA by a San Diego police unit (El Cajon is it's own incorporated city with it's own police department. Reason for the stop was license plate light not functioning. The San Diego officer had him wait about 45 minutes until an El Cajon officer arrived and wrote the cite. Now I don't know the particulars about what was said and the play by play of the stop so I'm not making any judgement on that...although I still give my brother **** about having to wait so long for a fix it ticket...lol. But if the above is true, why didn't SDPD just cite him and be on his way?

May be a department policy. Like was said before, California police officers have jurisdiction statewide. But of course their agency wants them patrolling the areas that they're paid to. And enforcing laws in another area may incur court time and other time better used in your own jurisdiction. But you don't ignore crimes committed in your presence because they occur beyond a geographic line.

[9mmepiphany]

I think you'll find that, non-motor, officers use jurisdictional lines to determine the responsible department for handling calls for service.

Where motor officers work is usually determined by their supervisors in response to complaints by other drivers

[Jonathan Doe]

I have followed the violators from my patrol area into the neighboring city and made stops. Likewise, I have observed the violators from the borders of the neighboring city and stopped them in my jurisdiction. No problems. If I fish deep in the next jurisdiction, it may be an issue with my management.

[just4fun63]

So is it a just a courtesy for an LE who pulls over someone outside their "jurisdiction" to call an officer from the area they're in to actually write the citation? Case in point: Many years ago my brother got pulled over in El Cajon, CA by a San Diego police unit (El Cajon is it's own incorporated city with it's own police department. Reason for the stop was license plate light not functioning. The San Diego officer had him wait about 45 minutes until an El Cajon officer arrived and wrote the cite. Now I don't know the particulars about what was said and the play by play of the stop so I'm not making any judgement on that...although I still give my brother **** about having to wait so long for a fix it ticket...lol. But if the above is true, why didn't SDPD just cite him and be on his way?

It was most likely the SDPD officer didn't know the correct court info (day, date, time, address.....) that has to go on the cite, so he had to wait for an El Cajon officer. Some dept that only use one court have it pre-printed on the cite, so he had to have the other officer write the cite so the info was correct.

[003]

California Peace Officer authority is found in the Penal Code. It is limited in a number of respects. The only unlimited Statewide peace officer authority is granted to the California Attorney General and those agents that work for the AG. As an example, in Ventura County all of the Chiefs and the Sheriff signed a formal agreement that gives all LEO's in Ventura County full Peace Officer power in all areas of the county. If such an agreemnt is not in place then the LE power is limited by the penal code. Below is the first part of section 830. If anyone is interested they need to read the entire section. It lists all of the different types of Peace Officers and the extent of their power. City police, county sheriffs, prisons guards, fish and game wardens, CHP, campus police, airport police, probations officers, federal agents, reserves, etc, etc.

http://law.justia.com/california/codes/2009/pen/830-832.17.html

830. Any person who comes within the provisions of this chapter and
who otherwise meets all standards imposed by law on a peace officer
is a peace officer, and notwithstanding any other provision of law,
no person other than those designated in this chapter is a peace
officer. The restriction of peace officer functions of any public
officer or employee shall not affect his or her status for purposes
of retirement.

830.1. (a) Any sheriff, undersheriff, or deputy sheriff, employed
in that capacity, of a county, any chief of police of a city or
chief, director, or chief executive officer of a consolidated
municipal public safety agency that performs police functions, any
police officer, employed in that capacity and appointed by the chief
of police or chief, director, or chief executive of a public safety
agency, of a city, any chief of police, or police officer of a
district, including police officers of the San Diego Unified Port
District Harbor Police, authorized by statute to maintain a police
department, any marshal or deputy marshal of a superior court or
county, any port warden or port police officer of the Harbor
Department of the City of Los Angeles, or any inspector or
investigator employed in that capacity in the office of a district
attorney, is a peace officer. The authority of these peace officers
extends to any place in the state, as follows:
(1) As to any public offense committed or which there is probable
cause to believe has been committed within the political subdivision
that employs the peace officer or in which the peace officer serves.
(2) Where the peace officer has the prior consent of the chief of
police or chief, director, or chief executive officer of a
consolidated municipal public safety agency, or person authorized by
him or her to give consent, if the place is within a city, or of the
sheriff, or person authorized by him or her to give consent, if the
place is within a county.
(3) As to any public offense committed or which there is probable
cause to believe has been committed in the peace officer's presence,
and with respect to which there is immediate danger to person or
property, or of the escape of the perpetrator of the offense.
(b) The Attorney General and special agents and investigators of
the Department of Justice are peace officers, and those assistant
chiefs, deputy chiefs, chiefs, deputy directors, and division
directors designated as peace officers by the Attorney General are
peace officers. The authority of these peace officers extends to any
place in the state where a public offense has been committed or where
there is probable cause to believe one has been committed. (c)
Any deputy sheriff of the County of Los Angeles, and any
deputy sheriff of the Counties of Butte, Calaveras, Colusa, Glenn,
Humboldt, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Lake, Lassen, Mariposa,
Mendocino, Plumas, Riverside, San Benito, San Diego, San Luis Obispo,
Santa Barbara, Shasta, Siskiyou, Solano, Sonoma, Stanislaus, Sutter,
Tehama, Tulare, and Tuolumne who is employed to perform duties
exclusively or initially relating to custodial assignments with
responsibilities for maintaining the operations of county custodial
facilities, including the custody, care, supervision, security,
movement, and transportation of inmates, is a peace officer whose
authority extends to any place in the state only while engaged in the
performance of the duties of his or her respective employment and
for the purpose of carrying out the primary function of employment
relating to his or her custodial assignments, or when performing
other law enforcement duties directed by his or her employing agency
during

[fullrearview]

Peace officers have jurisdiction statewide. There is no line except state lines.

And even that has exceptions.

[fullrearview]

You know what I have noticed from a lot of people since I was laid off from Sacramento County, and re hired by a smaller agency????

A lot of people think the police/sheriff is a statewide/national thing.....I get asked A LOT about why I "transfered" to such a small department. I often get asked why I was reassigned as well.

There is just so much mis-information out there.

[BigDogatPlay]

The only unlimited Statewide peace officer authority is granted to the California Attorney General and those agents that work for the AG.

Not exactly...

830.2. The following persons are peace officers whose authority
extends to any place in the state:

While there is language about "provided that the primary duty of the peace officer is", a CHP officer, and the other peace officers noted in 830.2 (UC, CSU, Office of Correctional Safety and IA of CDCR, DFG wardens, State Park rangers, certain CalFire employees, ABC agents, Cal Expo police and select members of the office of Inspector General) are peace officers with authority to act anywhere in the state at any time on any crime or public offense.

830.1 (county and local officers with the AG people tossed in) and 830.2 (state officers) are essentially co-equal in the Penal Code and to POST. All other classifications of peace officer tend to have some manner of limitation.

[5shot]

California Peace Officer authority is found in the Penal Code. It is limited in a number of respects. The only unlimited Statewide peace officer authority is granted to the California Attorney General and those agents that work for the AG. As an example, in Ventura County all of the Chiefs and the Sheriff signed a formal agreement that gives all LEO's in Ventura County full Peace Officer power in all areas of the county. If such an agreemnt is not in place then the LE power is limited by the penal code. Below is the first part of section 830. If anyone is interested they need to read the entire section. It lists all of the different types of Peace Officers and the extent of their power. City police, county sheriffs, prisons guards, fish and game wardens, CHP, campus police, airport police, probations officers, federal agents, reserves, etc, etc.

http://law.justia.com/california/codes/2009/pen/830-832.17.html

830. Any person who comes within the provisions of this chapter and
who otherwise meets all standards imposed by law on a peace officer
is a peace officer, and notwithstanding any other provision of law,
no person other than those designated in this chapter is a peace
officer. The restriction of peace officer functions of any public
officer or employee shall not affect his or her status for purposes
of retirement.

830.1. (a) Any sheriff, undersheriff, or deputy sheriff, employed
in that capacity, of a county, any chief of police of a city or
chief, director, or chief executive officer of a consolidated
municipal public safety agency that performs police functions, any
police officer, employed in that capacity and appointed by the chief
of police or chief, director, or chief executive of a public safety
agency, of a city, any chief of police, or police officer of a
district, including police officers of the San Diego Unified Port
District Harbor Police, authorized by statute to maintain a police
department, any marshal or deputy marshal of a superior court or
county, any port warden or port police officer of the Harbor
Department of the City of Los Angeles, or any inspector or
investigator employed in that capacity in the office of a district
attorney, is a peace officer. The authority of these peace officers
extends to any place in the state, as follows:
(1) As to any public offense committed or which there is probable
cause to believe has been committed within the political subdivision
that employs the peace officer or in which the peace officer serves.
(2) Where the peace officer has the prior consent of the chief of
police or chief, director, or chief executive officer of a
consolidated municipal public safety agency, or person authorized by
him or her to give consent, if the place is within a city, or of the
sheriff, or person authorized by him or her to give consent, if the
place is within a county.
(3) As to any public offense committed or which there is probable
cause to believe has been committed in the peace officer's presence,
and with respect to which there is immediate danger to person or
property, or of the escape of the perpetrator of the offense.
(b) The Attorney General and special agents and investigators of
the Department of Justice are peace officers, and those assistant
chiefs, deputy chiefs, chiefs, deputy directors, and division
directors designated as peace officers by the Attorney General are
peace officers. The authority of these peace officers extends to any
place in the state where a public offense has been committed or where
there is probable cause to believe one has been committed. (c)
Any deputy sheriff of the County of Los Angeles, and any
deputy sheriff of the Counties of Butte, Calaveras, Colusa, Glenn,
Humboldt, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Lake, Lassen, Mariposa,
Mendocino, Plumas, Riverside, San Benito, San Diego, San Luis Obispo,
Santa Barbara, Shasta, Siskiyou, Solano, Sonoma, Stanislaus, Sutter,
Tehama, Tulare, and Tuolumne who is employed to perform duties
exclusively or initially relating to custodial assignments with
responsibilities for maintaining the operations of county custodial
facilities, including the custody, care, supervision, security,
movement, and transportation of inmates, is a peace officer whose
authority extends to any place in the state only while engaged in the
performance of the duties of his or her respective employment and
for the purpose of carrying out the primary function of employment
relating to his or her custodial assignments, or when performing
other law enforcement duties directed by his or her employing agency
during

Most, if not all California agencies have signed agreements and "Mutual Aid Pacts".
And in the case of fleeing criminals, jurisdiction does not end at the state line. The "Uniform Act of Fresh Pursuit" allows police officers to cross state lines and make arrests if the pursuit started in their jurisdiction and continued across a state or multiple state lines.

[fullrearview]

Most, if not all California agencies have signed agreements and "Mutual Aid Pacts".
And in the case of fleeing criminals, jurisdiction does not end at the state line. The "Uniform Act of Fresh Pursuit" allows police officers to cross state lines and make arrests if the pursuit started in their jurisdiction and continued across a state or multiple state lines.

Exactly what I was talking about....The other exception is when an agency in NV requests help from one in CA, or vise versa.

[Ron-Solo]

All roads, all codes.....