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  • #16
    Cokebottle
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    • Oct 2009
    • 32373

    Originally posted by sleepy
    I didn't say he didn't do anything wrong, I was just wondering what they do with the pictures. Thanks for those who answered the questions I asked.
    If the guy on probation has any gang connections, the other two are now "known associates"
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    • #17
      develown
      Member
      • May 2010
      • 234

      Originally posted by todd2968
      Can I legally refuse my picture to be taken? Now days with facial recognition software it equates to being fingerprinted.

      Not only that would there be any problem with me taking a picture of every police officer I see? Not that I'd do it just curious over law
      I would imagine they would use the pictures as evidence. However it does raise interesting FISA questions.

      Taking pictures without some ones knowledge can be con-screwed as surveillance. Naturally under FISA the government cannot conduct surveillance on you without a warrant from a judge. Furthermore, unwarranted surveillance violates the fourth amendment against unseasonable searches and seizures. However, if your in a public place such as burger king and having a uniformed on duty police officer take the picture i would imagine its quite legal. However, if that same cop was following you around all day it probably wouldn't be legal.

      It relay comes down to if the cop is violating your privacy and if he has reasonable cause. If your in burger king and your buddy is on parole then it seems to me your not in a private place and he has reasonable cause to be suspicious.

      Hope that helps
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      • #18
        winnre
        Calguns Addict
        • Apr 2010
        • 9214

        If you are on probation and the cop doesn't get his way with what he wants, he only need call the Probation officer. ANY LEO contact is going to look bad for him at that point.
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        • #19
          thevic
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 1910

          so this happened to a buddy of mine once. a comcast cable contractot gets pulled over by undercover gang task force gor having a cravked windshield. they take pictures of all of my friends tattoos. one of the tatts is a 1911 pointing downward on the front right waist looking holstered when covere halfway with pants. officer asks why he has this tattoo. my buddy says so he looks like hes packin' when at the beach lol.
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          • #20
            develown
            Member
            • May 2010
            • 234

            Originally posted by thevic
            so this happened to a buddy of mine once. a comcast cable contractot gets pulled over by undercover gang task force gor having a cravked windshield. they take pictures of all of my friends tattoos. one of the tatts is a 1911 pointing downward on the front right waist looking holstered when covere halfway with pants. officer asks why he has this tattoo. my buddy says so he looks like hes packin' when at the beach lol.
            I've got a fat crack in my windshield, you just gave me a good reason to get it fixed
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            • #21
              9mmepiphany
              Calguns Addict
              • Jul 2008
              • 8075

              posted by sleepy
              The LEOs searched his car and when they were done, they lined up the guys who got pulled over on the curb and took a picture of them. He also took a picture of his car. Why did he do this? thanks
              I didn't say he didn't do anything wrong, I was just wondering what they do with the pictures. Thanks for those who answered the questions I asked.
              i think it would be pretty obvious that they would be able to photograph folks they are arresting...why would they not, it's not like he didn't do anything wrong?

              posted by shellyzsweet
              So now lets say I got pulled over for not having a front license plate on. LEO checks their ID's and such cause he's drunk....he pops up on probation. Can the LEO now search MY car freely?? or just him?? Whats the deal??
              depending on the terms of his probation and what his probation officer will OK, they get to search any area in your car they he had access to...if they find something in the interior, it could even lead them into your trunk.

              i'd re-evaluate your kindly offer
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              • #22
                TRICKSTER
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Mar 2008
                • 12438

                Originally posted by sleepy
                If you read my first post, you would know what my question was.

                I didn't say he didn't do anything wrong, I was just wondering what they do with the pictures. Thanks for those who answered the questions I asked.
                No, you asked "they lined up the guys who got pulled over on the curb and took a picture of them. He also took a picture of his car. Why did he do this?"

                One of the reasons your friends car may have been searched is because he admitted to having contraband in the vehicle, and from the way the story is evolving, there is probably even more to it. As far as being photographed, if he was arrested for possession for sales, it's called a booking photo.


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                • #23
                  SVT-40
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 12894

                  Originally posted by develown
                  I would imagine they would use the pictures as evidence. However it does raise interesting FISA questions.

                  Taking pictures without some ones knowledge can be con-screwed as surveillance. Naturally under FISA the government cannot conduct surveillance on you without a warrant from a judge. Furthermore, unwarranted surveillance violates the fourth amendment against unseasonable searches and seizures. However, if your in a public place such as burger king and having a uniformed on duty police officer take the picture i would imagine its quite legal. However, if that same cop was following you around all day it probably wouldn't be legal.

                  It relay comes down to if the cop is violating your privacy and if he has reasonable cause. If your in burger king and your buddy is on parole then it seems to me your not in a private place and he has reasonable cause to be suspicious.

                  Hope that helps
                  Where do you get your legal advice? Because you are all wrong.

                  The police do not need a warrant to conduct "surveillance" on anyone. If you are out in public, one officer or a team of one hundred officers in uniform or out of uniform can follow you anywhere and everywhere. They can take pictures or video of you all day long. They can use any and all tools they have to watch you. No warrant needed.

                  FISA or Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act has nothing to do with local police conducting surveillance or taking photos during a traffic stop.

                  The police do need a warrant for wiretapping and similar activity. But that's it.

                  One more thing...... it's "construed", as in. To interpret the meaning of. Not "con-screwed" Which is what happens when you go to prison. ........ I'm sorry I just couldn't resist....
                  Last edited by SVT-40; 05-27-2010, 11:07 PM.
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                  • #24
                    shellyzsweet
                    In Memoriam
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 1221

                    Originally posted by 9mmepiphany
                    depending on the terms of his probation and what his probation officer will OK, they get to search any area in your car they he had access to...if they find something in the interior, it could even lead them into your trunk.

                    i'd re-evaluate your kindly offer
                    umm YEAH! Thx I will. Its crossed my mind before....and he "swears" he's clean....but ....so I will definitely do that thanks!
                    Cause here's where I'm coming from....We get pulled over, IDK what he's got....he's in the back seat and shoves it some place in the car like under the seat....now its my butt and not his....and I can't really prove it otherwise.

                    Thx for the heads up. I appreciate it! -I can't wait till she finally gets over playing house with this guy so I don't have to stress about it!
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                    • #25
                      Uhhlexxxis
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 564

                      I take pictures of those who have no photo ID or nothing that can identify them. A lot of times they'll give all their information, return valid, and be on there way... Then I get to court and it's not the same person.. In fact, it's their brother, or cousin.. or someone that's squeaky clean.. whereas they were originally on parole/probation for various crimes.

                      People lie, taking a photo of them for later use is helpful.
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                      • #26
                        winnre
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 9214

                        I asked a LEO about this, before I was done asking the question he says if ANYONE he pulls over has a fresh scar, blood, or injury he will photograph it so that he is not accused of having caused or exacerbated it.
                        "If Jesus had a gun he would be alive today"-Homer Simpson

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                        • #27
                          sleepy
                          Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 172

                          For this case it seems like the gang identification would most likely be the reason they took pictures because the officer also asked them to lift up their shirts for tattoos. As for my friend, he was released today. All charges were dropped.
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                          • #28
                            Foriegn power
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                            • Dec 2009
                            • 1035

                            Hang out with fools, get treated like a fool also.

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                            • #29
                              gravedigger
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 2015

                              Originally posted by sleepy
                              I was just wondering what they do with the pictures.
                              You are known by the company you keep.

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                              • #30
                                anthonyca
                                Calguns Addict
                                • May 2008
                                • 6316

                                Originally posted by shellyzsweet
                                wait....I have a friend/co-worker and her bf is on probation from drugs. (She's an IDIOT for dating him, but if I told her that I would lose her as a friend....blah blah blah)....so they went to a friends house and they both started drinking, he got pretty toasted and she was fine but didn't wanna risk it and called me for a ride. I've always told her I'd rather her call for a ride than risk it, so I was happy about that and later talked to her about her poor planning decision and thought nothing more of it.
                                So now lets say I got pulled over for not having a front license plate on. LEO checks their ID's and such cause he's drunk....he pops up on probation. Can the LEO now search MY car freely?? or just him?? Whats the deal??
                                I hardly know this guy and she "swears" he is clean....but my thoughts are a criminal is a criminal and if him being in my car gets my car searched....I'll seriously reconsider my offer to pick her up when she can't drive.
                                Also, what if we are in her car with him and get pulled over and they start searching her car?? Can they search me and my property??
                                Thx in advance.
                                I would NOT let him in my car. Especially if he is drunk leaving a party. Most druggies will want to get high in a situation like that, and a party is a good place score. Say you are pulled over, what is to stop him from stashing his stash in your car and saying it is not his?

                                You may beat the rap but it will cost you 10s of thousands and you will then have the arrest on your record, unless you can prove you were factually innocent. That would be hard in that situation.

                                Have you ever seen haw druggies turn on each other to save their own hide? Why wouldn't one do that to you? is he afraid you would mess him up or kill him if he did that? Even if he was, most druggies only live for now.

                                So, I would leave them on the side of the road.
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                                I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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