CCW=Taser, Opinions

[eltee]

My buddy is an ex-cop. He left the business but did not retire, so he is ineligible to CCW a firearm under HR218 and he lives in an anti-CCW county. Clean record, etc. but cannot CCW. He still does some P.I. work, etc. on the side and was considering carrying a concealed TASER. I don't know anyone who does that so I thought I'd ask here.

Any downside to carrying a concealed Taser in California? He was Taser trained as a cop (although the civilian Taser has a different range). Can he even carry an old dept. Taser (old one when they still looked like Glocks) or is he required to buy some sort of "California Approved" model?

Until re rejoins a dept. or gets a CCW, he thinks a Taser is better than nothing but I thought I'd check here. THANKS for any info.

[Samuelx]

IMO, if he was "Taser trained" as an LEO - he should already know all the answers to the questions you're asking (the pros and cons/strengths and weaknesses, the differences between LE and civilian models, the legality(ies), etc)...

https://www.Taser.com

http://www.itaser.com/common_myths.html

http://www.itaser.com/?__utma=1.1406708840.1269492636.1273368103.1273369150.3&__utmb=1.7.10.1273369150&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1273369150.3.3.utmcsr=google|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=taser&__utmv=-&__utmk=61240620

[fourXfour]

The taser C2 should fit his needs. The civilian versions have 30 second cycles as opposed to the 5 second cycles for law enforcement. Other than that the the X26 should be similar to the C26.

Good knife skills and a taser might be the best he's going to get in CA.

[eltee]

IMO, if he was "Taser trained" as an LEO - he should already know all the answers to the questions you're asking (the pros and cons/strengths and weaknesses, the differences between LE and civilian models, the legality(ies), etc)...

https://www.Taser.com

http://www.itaser.com/common_myths.html

http://www.itaser.com/?__utma=1.1406..._utmk=61240620

To some degree you are correct, but cops carry them as secondary weapons, not primary (or solitary) weapons. He never wore one concealed. He never used the civilian version. He never wore one strong side. We wear them crossdraw on the weakhand side opposite the primary weapon...way different than what he's considering as a civilian. He never wore one under casual clothing or a suit.

Looking for people who have first, or at most, second hand knowledge of the merits of carrying a concealed Taser as the only weapon...alot different than cop carry. Thanks for the links.

[Samuelx]

IMO, the items on your list of concerns/differences are Minor.

To some degree you are correct, but cops carry them as secondary weapons, not primary (or solitary) weapons.

That doesn't change the circumstances wherein it would be good/effective to use or not to use. Off duty mindset when you're not armed.

He never wore one concealed.

He never carried ANY weapons concealed?

He never used the civilian version.

Minor differences but the main is the same - the prongs and electricity go into the other guy.

He never wore one strong side.

Doesn't matter, he can wear it any way he likes. Improvise adapt overcome.

We wear them crossdraw on the weakhand side opposite the primary weapon...way different than what he's considering as a civilian. He never wore one under casual clothing or a suit.

Again. Improvise adapt overcome. Will it really be THAT DIFFICULT for him??? However you carry your tools/equipment/weapons, you should be training access/deployment/usage.

Looking for people who have first, or at most, second hand knowledge of the merits of carrying a concealed Taser as the only weapon...alot different than cop carry. Thanks for the links.

Different yes BUT, I just don't see any Taser-trained LEO or former LEO needing advice on how to transition from full-duty to off duty or non-LEO Taser only carry. Anyone Taser trained knows the usefulness and/or limitations of a Taser. All he has to do is to decide whether or not a civilian model Taser will meet his needs/intended usage(s) - IMO, therein lies the difference, using a Taser because you weren't able to avoid trouble as opposed to occasionally intentionally putting yourself into situations where stuff may possibly hit the fan. And, if that's the case, will a Taser be enough?

[eltee]

Here are some issues. There are very few holster designed for concealed carry. The only ones that crop up are pretty large OWB units. If anyone knows of a good holster for concealed carry, that info would be helpful. There is a range difference, our cop Tasers have longer range than some (all?) of the civilian versions but so neither he nor I have heard any anecdotal evidence as to whether or not it is a factor in real world use. Being, admittedly, a nitpicker my buddy is just looking for 1st hand info before he potentially wastes money on holsters, a specific Taser unit, etc. The holster is an issue, and our dept. Tasers are bigger than the common off-duty rigs.

You are 100% right, we normally can pickup most any toy and strap it on for 2ndary, off duty, etc. carry and be familiar but he's just looking to gather as much info as he can before plopping down his cash. However, in our dept. Taser class I don't recall any info on civilian models, civilian use, etc. and certainly no info / training on concealed carry.

Until he re-ups as a cop or gets a CCW, legal less-lethal is all he can use.

[todd2968]

Sad
I think anyone who works in LE should be allowed CCW retired or not. If the worked a month they pissed people off and need to defend themselves.

[Samuelx]

Is there anything preventing him from getting a CCW? IIRC, an x26c is going to run in the neighborhood of $850 (give or take) and even the C2 is going for around $350. Cartridges and batteries (all proprietary) aren't cheap either.

Where/when is he going to be carrying the Taser? What kinds of clothes will he be wearing/what kind of gear will he have with him? What does he plan on doing with the Taser? What is he planning on doing after Tasering someone? What is he going to do if/when the Taser doesn't have the intended effect? (all rhetorical btw)

[Rogue187]

Currently the C2 Taser is the only available option for your friend.
Unless he chooses the X26C.

C2 looks like a Star Trek Phaser and as an option you can get a carry shealth which when worn on the belt looks like a eyeglasses case.

X26C is the same design as the LEO X26..the only difference is that it is only sold with the 10' cartridges..however you can use the 15',21' cartridges.

Any kind of holster sold for the X26 will fit the X26C

C2 is unique and only has a limited number of holsters for it.

If he wanted something custom I'm sure many makers would give it a try.

[eltee]

Is there anything preventing him from getting a CCW? IIRC, an x26c is going to run in the neighborhood of $850 (give or take) and even the C2 is going for around $350. Cartridges and batteries (all proprietary) aren't cheap either.

Where/when is he going to be carrying the Taser? What kinds of clothes will he be wearing/what kind of gear will he have with him? What does he plan on doing with the Taser? What is he planning on doing after Tasering someone? What is he going to do if/when the Taser doesn't have the intended effect? (all rhetorical btw)

Hi, he currently lives in a non-CCW friendly jurisdiction. He doesn't want to rock any boats as there is a chance he will come back to work for a short while (@ least until he qualifies for early retirement). He will be wearing casual and dress clothes. He currently works as a private investigator doing background investigations for LE agencies that are too small to fund a BI unit. He's pretty savvy, so if he makes someone ride the lightning, he'll go through the proper reporting protocols. He'll do the right thing.

I don't think money is an issue if he buys the right items, that's why all the questions. How many of us cops have a crate full of gear we bought and didn't / don't use?? (rhetorical as well) I have a feeling the range master would GIVE him a dept. Taser (the old ones, looks like a G17) if he wanted it but it is kind of chunky and would print under a suit.

[eltee]

Currently the C2 Taser is the only available option for your friend.
Unless he chooses the X26C.

C2 looks like a Star Trek Phaser and as an option you can get a carry shealth which when worn on the belt looks like a eyeglasses case.

X26C is the same design as the LEO X26..the only difference is that it is only sold with the 10' cartridges..however you can use the 15',21' cartridges.

Any kind of holster sold for the X26 will fit the X26C

C2 is unique and only has a limited number of holsters for it.

If he wanted something custom I'm sure many makers would give it a try.

Hey Larry, Good to hear from you. THANKS. The "dustbuster" version may be the one. BTW, this is about Chuck the old sniper / counter sniper dude. 21' range is a good thing if he uses the X26c. The only issue I see about him getting a dept. issued / obsolete one is the electronic serial #, etc. being still registered to the dept. I think I'll tell him to hold a C2 and see if he likes it better than the big one. Gimme' a call when you have a chance.

[Rogue187]

LT.
Not too sure that he should accept the M26.
Those were some old models and they also had the bad habit of sucking up the power from the batteries.

Taser gives a break to LEO's..

The C2 is the newest and has the longest "lock" time..meaning the bad guy will ride the dragon for 30 seconds at a time and the amount of times you can "lock on" is indefinite.

The X26C is the is next best thing but the cost is up there. Only difference is the length of the pulse.

X26 is the police issue. The pulse wave is higher than the X26C and the C2.

The amount of time for the ride is the only great difference and the distance for the darts to shoot out.

C2 has a warranty that if it is used and a police report can be provided the original owner can receive a replacement C2 for life..

Not too sure on the X26C..

[Samuelx]

Also, Taser is phasing out all their M's (they won't be providing much, if any, support for them) - if your buddy can get his hands on an M, he can trade it into Taser for IIRC $150 off a new X (but that might be a LE only deal - I'm not sure)... And, remember that the cartridges are also serialized/databased...

ETA: Upon further review, I think the $150 IS a LE only deal...

[Ron-Solo]

Eltee,

Blackhawk make a Serpa holster for the X26 models. Taser will sell to individual officers and I don't believe there are any restrictions on transferring them to individuals.

The OLD tasers (the flashlight ones) from years ago were classified as a firearm because they used a powder charge to propel the darts. The M & X models do not use a powder charge and are not considered firearms. The X models are much more effective than the M, but all of them are far superior to the original tasers.

another LT

[corrupt]

I have a x26c, but I prefer to carry fox labs spray.