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  • sezziness
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2

    record of firearms of deceased

    Hello,

    I'm hoping someone out there can help me with a few questions:

    My father died last year unexpectedly; we know he had owned a few handguns other firearms but we're not sure of what/how many exactly...

    1. Is there any way to find out exactly what he owned?
    2. After finding out, what do you next if we'd like to sell them or keep some?


    -thanks
  • #2
    SVT-40
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2008
    • 12894

    I don't believe DOJ will do a firearms check on a deceased person to determine what firearms were "DROS'ed"in his name.

    The other issue would be just because it was DROS'ed in his name does not mean he still owns it. He could have sold it before PPT's were required, or it could have been sold out of state.

    Also, long guns will not show on any data base as that information is not recorded.

    I would think a good search of his home would have the best results. If you want to keep them maybe a inter family transfer. Did your Dad have a will? if so this should dictate who they should go to. Without a will get together with siblings and relatives to work out who gets what.
    Last edited by SVT-40; 04-27-2010, 4:19 PM.
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    Originally posted by fiddletown
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    • #3
      ke6guj
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      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Nov 2003
      • 23725

      Originally posted by SVT-40
      I don't believe DOJ will do a firears check on a deceased person to determine what firearms were "DROS'ed"in his name.
      there is a method for person to request a list of all firearms registered in his name, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/...ateCitizen.pdf , but it has to be notarized from the person submitting it for his own records.

      I do not know if CADOJ would acctp one submitted by the executor of an estate.

      The other issue would be just because it was DROS'ed in his name does not mean he still ownes it. He could have sold it before PPT's were required, or it could have been sold out of state.

      Also, long guns will not show on any data base as that information is not recorded.
      yup, or he did a paperless transfer to a friend, not realizing that it should have been PPT'ed.

      I would think a good search of his home would have the best results. If you want to keep them maybe a inter family transfer. Did your Dad have a will? if so this should dictate who they should go to. Without a will get together with siblings and relatives to work out who gets what.
      yup.
      Jack



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      • #4
        Ron-Solo
        In Memoriam
        • Jan 2009
        • 8581

        What Ke6guj and SVT-40 said is good advice.

        When my father passed, I was not able to get anything from DOJ.

        Welcome to Calguns and my condolences.
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        • #5
          CSACANNONEER
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          • Dec 2006
          • 44092

          I'm sorry for your loss.

          How can you not know what he owned? Are you the executor of his estate? Have you found any in his stuff? Do you think some are "missing" and that you can find them? This whole thing does not make sense to me. Either they are part of the estate or they are MIA. No registration is required by California so, he might have legally owned 100s of firearms that do not show up on any data base.
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          • #6
            sezziness
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 2

            Thank you for the advice thus far, we're still working through his things, he died in an accident with no will, my mother surivives him but there's no list of his firearm inventory- we have found 2 of a known 5, and know he has never sold any handguns; so yes there are 3 items missing and we no have no clue what to do. I believe he mightve said his firearms were registered, that is what was lead me to asking on this forum. He could have 100s of firearms and we may never know it, so how do you find out? And what about grandfathered law assault rifles?

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            • #7
              CSACANNONEER
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              • Dec 2006
              • 44092

              There is no way to find out exactly what he had at the time of his accident. If he had any registered AWs, they would have to be disposed of through a AW dealer or turned in to LE (PLEASE don't turn them in without parting them out first). As far as "registration" goes, many people think that just because they filled out a form at the dealer, their guns are "registered". This is not true. Since 1991(?), all handguns that were sold through a dealer are registered but not long guns. This includes long guns which are AWs. One would have had to fill out seperate forms and send them to DOJ personally.
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              • #8
                DEPUTYBILL
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2007
                • 873

                If you haven't already done so,go through any paper work you find that might be bills of sale or records of any type of transactions regarding firearms. if you suspect some guns are missing or lost,you might contact your local law enforcement agency and see if they would run your father for firearms in his name. Then you might record those firearms (if any) as lost or missing.

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                • #9
                  SVT-40
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 12894

                  Originally posted by DEPUTYBILL
                  If you haven't already done so,go through any paper work you find that might be bills of sale or records of any type of transactions regarding firearms. if you suspect some guns are missing or lost,you might contact your local law enforcement agency and see if they would run your father for firearms in his name. Then you might record those firearms (if any) as lost or missing.
                  Reporting any firearms "lost or missing" would not be correct. The firearms could have been sold legally and thus are no longer in your fathers home.



                  I am sorry for the loss of your father. It's a very difficult event to get through.
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                  Originally posted by fiddletown
                  What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                  • #10
                    CSACANNONEER
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                    • Dec 2006
                    • 44092

                    Originally posted by DEPUTYBILL
                    If you haven't already done so,go through any paper work you find that might be bills of sale or records of any type of transactions regarding firearms. if you suspect some guns are missing or lost,you might contact your local law enforcement agency and see if they would run your father for firearms in his name. Then you might record those firearms (if any) as lost or missing.
                    Again, there won't be any long guns in his name unless they are RAWs or he downloaded the voluntary registration and spent $19 per firearm to register them. Also, suspecting that some guns are missing is one thing but, reporting them as "lost or stolen" would not be a good idea unless you are 100% positive that you have a legal claim to them.
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