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  • bubbapug1
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2008
    • 7958

    Is a peace officer the same as a LEO?

    Is a peace officer the same as a LEO? I have a friend applying to a job which requires possible qualifications in the future as a peace officer....I don't know where the line is drawn.
    I love America for the rights and freedoms we used to have.
  • #2
    code33
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2004
    • 971

    Peace Officer = Law Enforcement Officer

    Sections 830 through 831.7 PC specify which positions are and are not

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    • #3
      BigDogatPlay
      Calguns Addict
      • Jun 2007
      • 7362

      "LEO" is slang... the name of the office in the law is "peace officer".
      -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

      Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

      Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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      • #4
        Average Joe American
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 582

        Corrections Officers are LEO's but aren't necessarily Peace Officers...correct?

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        • #5
          jksupplyco
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 1623

          Originally posted by Average Joe American
          Corrections Officers are LEO's but aren't necessarily Peace Officers...correct?
          State Correctional Officers are Peace Officers.

          County and City level employees vary by jurisdiction.

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          • #6
            code33
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2004
            • 971

            Correctional Officer



            830.55. (a) As used in this section, a correctional officer is a
            peace officer
            , employed by a city, county, or city and county which
            operates a facility described in Section 2910.5 of this code or
            Section 1753.3 of the Welfare and Institutions Code or facilities
            operated by counties pursuant to Section 6241 or 6242 of this code
            under contract with the Department of Corrections or the Department
            of the Youth Authority, who has the authority and responsibility for
            maintaining custody of specified state prison inmates or wards, and
            who performs tasks related to the operation of a detention facility
            used for the detention of persons who have violated parole or are
            awaiting parole back into the community or, upon court order, either
            for their own safekeeping or for the specific purpose of serving a
            sentence therein.
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            • #7
              We Are Apocalypse
              Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 171

              If I remember correctly, Federal Agents are not peace officers in California.
              "If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary."

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              • #8
                code33
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2004
                • 971

                Correct.

                830.8. (a) Federal criminal investigators and law enforcement
                officers are not California peace officers, but may exercise the
                powers of arrest of a peace officer in any of the following
                circumstances:...



                Originally posted by We Are Apocalypse
                If I remember correctly, Federal Agents are not peace officers in California.
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                • #9
                  Average Joe American
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 582

                  So what is the biggest difference between a peace officer and a law enforcement officer with powers of arrest?

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                  • #10
                    5shot
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 1264

                    There are several pages in the Ca. Penal Code that address all the many classifications of peace officers. All have at least some type of law enforcement and arrest authority.
                    Here's some of the information on just a few classifications. You can find the rest here:



                    830.
                    Any person who comes within the provisions of this chapter and
                    who otherwise meets all standards imposed by law on a peace officer
                    is a peace officer, and notwithstanding any other provision of law,
                    no person other than those designated in this chapter is a peace
                    officer. The restriction of peace officer functions of any public
                    officer or employee shall not affect his or her status for purposes
                    of retirement.



                    830.1. (a) Any sheriff, undersheriff, or deputy sheriff, employed
                    in that capacity, of a county, any chief of police of a city or
                    chief, director, or chief executive officer of a consolidated
                    municipal public safety agency that performs police functions, any
                    police officer, employed in that capacity and appointed by the chief
                    of police or chief, director, or chief executive of a public safety
                    agency, of a city, any chief of police, or police officer of a
                    district, including police officers of the San Diego Unified Port
                    District Harbor Police, authorized by statute to maintain a police
                    department, any marshal or deputy marshal of a superior court or
                    county, any port warden or port police officer of the Harbor
                    Department of the City of Los Angeles, or any inspector or
                    investigator employed in that capacity in the office of a district
                    attorney, is a peace officer. The authority of these peace officers
                    extends to any place in the state, as follows:
                    (1) As to any public offense committed or which there is probable
                    cause to believe has been committed within the political subdivision
                    that employs the peace officer or in which the peace officer serves.
                    (2) Where the peace officer has the prior consent of the chief of
                    police or chief, director, or chief executive officer of a
                    consolidated municipal public safety agency, or person authorized by
                    him or her to give consent, if the place is within a city, or of the
                    sheriff, or person authorized by him or her to give consent, if the
                    place is within a county.
                    (3) As to any public offense committed or which there is probable
                    cause to believe has been committed in the peace officer's presence,
                    and with respect to which there is immediate danger to person or
                    property, or of the escape of the perpetrator of the offense.
                    (b) The Attorney General and special agents and investigators of
                    the Department of Justice are peace officers, and those assistant
                    chiefs, deputy chiefs, chiefs, deputy directors, and division
                    directors designated as peace officers by the Attorney General are
                    peace officers. The authority of these peace officers extends to any
                    place in the state where a public offense has been committed or where
                    there is probable cause to believe one has been committed.
                    (c) Any deputy sheriff of the County of Los Angeles, and any
                    deputy sheriff of the Counties of Butte, Calaveras, Colusa, Glenn,
                    Humboldt, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Lake, Lassen, Mariposa,
                    Mendocino, Plumas, Riverside, San Benito, San Diego, San Luis Obispo,
                    Santa Barbara, Shasta, Siskiyou, Solano, Sonoma, Stanislaus, Sutter,
                    Tehama, Tulare, and Tuolumne who is employed to perform duties
                    exclusively or initially relating to custodial assignments with
                    responsibilities for maintaining the operations of county custodial
                    facilities, including the custody, care, supervision, security,
                    movement, and transportation of inmates, is a peace officer whose
                    authority extends to any place in the state only while engaged in the
                    performance of the duties of his or her respective employment and
                    for the purpose of carrying out the primary function of employment
                    relating to his or her custodial assignments, or when performing
                    other law enforcement duties directed by his or her employing agency
                    during a local state of emergency.



                    830.2. The following persons are peace officers whose authority
                    extends to any place in the state:
                    (a) Any member of the Department of the California Highway Patrol
                    including those members designated under subdivision (a) of Section
                    2250.1 of the Vehicle Code, provided that the primary duty of the
                    peace officer is the enforcement of any law relating to the use or
                    operation of vehicles upon the highways, or laws pertaining to the
                    provision of police services for the protection of state officers,
                    state properties, and the occupants of state properties, or both, as
                    set forth in the Vehicle Code and Government Code.
                    (b) A member of the University of California Police Department
                    appointed pursuant to Section 92600 of the Education Code, provided
                    that the primary duty of the peace officer shall be the enforcement
                    of the law within the area specified in Section 92600 of the
                    Education Code.
                    (c) A member of the California State University Police Departments
                    appointed pursuant to Section 89560 of the Education Code, provided
                    that the primary duty of the peace officer shall be the enforcement
                    of the law within the area specified in Section 89560 of the
                    Education Code.
                    (d) (1) Any member of the Office of Correctional Safety of the
                    Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, provided that the
                    primary duties of the peace officer shall be the investigation or
                    apprehension of inmates, wards, parolees, parole violators, or
                    escapees from state institutions, the transportation of those
                    persons, the investigation of any violation of criminal law
                    discovered while performing the usual and authorized duties of
                    employment, and the coordination of those activities with other
                    criminal justice agencies.
                    (2) Any member of the Office of Internal Affairs of the Department
                    of Corrections and Rehabilitation, provided that the primary duties
                    shall be criminal investigations of Department of Corrections and
                    Rehabilitation personnel and the coordination of those activities
                    with other criminal justice agencies. For purposes of this
                    subdivision, the member of the Office of Internal Affairs shall
                    possess certification from the Commission on Peace Officer Standards
                    and Training for investigators, or have completed training pursuant
                    to Section 6126.1 of the Penal Code.
                    (e) Employees of the Department of Fish and Game designated by the
                    director, provided that the primary duty of those peace officers
                    shall be the enforcement of the law as set forth in Section 856 of
                    the Fish and Game Code.
                    (f) Employees of the Department of Parks and Recreation designated
                    by the director pursuant to Section 5008 of the Public Resources
                    Code, provided that the primary duty of the peace officer shall be
                    the enforcement of the law as set forth in Section 5008 of the Public
                    Resources Code.
                    (g) The Director of Forestry and Fire Protection and employees or
                    classes of employees of the Department of Forestry and Fire
                    Protection designated by the director pursuant to Section 4156 of the
                    Public Resources Code, provided that the primary duty of the peace
                    officer shall be the enforcement of the law as that duty is set forth
                    in Section 4156 of the Public Resources Code.
                    (h) Persons employed by the Department of Alcoholic Beverage
                    Control for the enforcement of Division 9 (commencing with Section
                    23000) of the Business and Professions Code and designated by the
                    Director of Alcoholic Beverage Control, provided that the primary
                    duty of any of these peace officers shall be the enforcement of the
                    laws relating to alcoholic beverages, as that duty is set forth in
                    Section 25755 of the Business and Professions Code.
                    (i) Marshals and police appointed by the Board of Directors of the
                    California Exposition and State Fair pursuant to Section 3332 of the
                    Food and Agricultural Code, provided that the primary duty of the
                    peace officers shall be the enforcement of the law as prescribed in
                    that section.
                    (j) The Inspector General, pursuant to Section 6125, and the Chief
                    Deputy Inspector General, Chief Assistant Inspector General, Deputy
                    Inspector General In Charge, Senior Deputy Inspector General, Deputy
                    Inspector General, Senior Assistant Inspector General, Special
                    Assistant Inspector General, and those employees of the Inspector
                    General as designated by the Inspector General, are peace officers,
                    provided that the primary duty of these peace officers shall be
                    conducting audits of investigatory practices and other audits, as
                    well as conducting investigations, of the Department of Corrections
                    and Rehabilitation, Division of Juvenile Justice and the Board of
                    Parole Hearings.
                    John Bishop
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                    • #11
                      BigDogatPlay
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 7362

                      Originally posted by Average Joe American
                      So what is the biggest difference between a peace officer and a law enforcement officer with powers of arrest?
                      To my way of thinking there really aren't very many "law enforcement officer with powers of arrest" in California. Federal criminal investigators and federal uniformed law enforcement are not peace officers under California law, as noted above, but have all the powers of arrest of a California peace officer.

                      The local correctional officers of some counties that have them are most often "public officers" with some authority while on duty and in scope, but little or no authority off the job. CDCR correctional officers, aka state prison guys, are absolutely peace officers without question. I'm not entirely sure how some of the large local agencies that employ "security officers" give them authority, but again in that case any such authority would only be on duty and in scope.

                      The powers of arrest held by a peace officer laid out in 836 PC are limited to those persons specifically identified by classification in the Penal Code. Anyone else not so identified does not have those powers.
                      -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

                      Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

                      Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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                      • #12
                        ulpian
                        Junior Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 62

                        To add to the confusion, Federal LEO usually can enforce Some CPC, CFR, USC and have arrest power anywhere in California, but state/local LEO might not have the arrest power inside the Federal ground. It is not always the case, and the line are not clearly draw.

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                        • #13
                          SVT-40
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 12894

                          Penal codes 830 and 831 define who are "Peace Officers" here in Calif.

                          The sections are pretty long so I won't directly copy them here, but here is a link.

                          Poke'm with a stick!


                          Originally posted by fiddletown
                          What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                          • #14
                            Average Joe American
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 582

                            So its basically a matter of jurisdiction? The state's Sergeant at Arms (formerly Capitol Police) have full police powers but only on state property?

                            And Dept. of Defense Police (like the guys who protect the beans, blankets and bombs in Lathrop) only have police powers on Federal property.

                            Or the Federal Reserve Bank Police in San Francisco only have jurisdiction on Federal bank property and the sidewalk and half the street?

                            Off duty or outside the fence...they are just regular citizens that can carry a gun under HR218 but are not mandated to respond like a sworn or appointed peace officer. Is this correct?

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                            • #15
                              code33
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 971

                              You should really read the PC sections that have been linked. It will clarify things.
                              Like SVT stated, the sections are long...

                              830.8. (a) Federal criminal investigators and law enforcement
                              officers are not California peace officers, but may exercise the
                              powers of arrest of a peace officer in any of the following
                              circumstances
                              :
                              (1) Any circumstances specified in Section 836 or Section 5150 of
                              the Welfare and Institutions Code for violations of state or local
                              laws.
                              (2) When these investigators and law enforcement officers are
                              engaged in the enforcement of federal criminal laws and exercise the
                              arrest powers only incidental to the performance of these duties.
                              (3) When requested by a California law enforcement agency to be
                              involved in a joint task force or criminal investigation
                              .
                              (4) When probable cause exists to believe that a public offense
                              that involves immediate danger to persons or property has just
                              occurred or is being committed.

                              In all of these instances, the provisions of Section 847 shall
                              apply. These investigators and law enforcement officers, prior to
                              the exercise of these arrest powers, shall have been certified by
                              their agency heads as having satisfied the training requirements of
                              Section 832, or the equivalent thereof.
                              Last edited by code33; 04-12-2010, 11:05 AM.
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