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  • xibunkrlilkidsx
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    • Sep 2008
    • 5419

    does a growler=open container

    A growler is a U.S. half gallon (1,890 ml/66.5 imp fl oz) glass jug used to transport draft beer in the United States. They are commonly sold at breweries and brewpubs as a means to sell take-out beer. Some breweries also offer a one-litre or one-quart version. Growlers are also used by homebrewers as an alternative to kegs or smaller bottles for carbonating and storing their beer.
    Growlers are generally made of glass and have either a screw-on cap or a hinged porcelain gasket cap which can provide freshness for a week or more.
    Would this be considered an open alcoholic container in a vehicle? The one i have has a porcelin pop cap on a hinge.
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    holyhandgrenade
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    • Jul 2007
    • 374

    Im not LEO, so take this for what its worth.
    I saw growlers like you were describing when I was at Stone Brewery and they had a little brass luggage lock that went on them to lock them closed. I assume they did this because they would otherwise be considered an open container. Maybe youd be fine and they were just paranoid or something, I dont know.

    Also, if I recall, you can have an open container as long as its locked in the trunk of your car where you dont have access to it while driving.

    Again, not LEO so you might want to wait for someone who is actually qualified to answer definitively.

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    • #3
      hnoppenberger
      Senior Member
      • May 2008
      • 1398

      hey, as anything fun, outta sight outta mind.

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      • #4
        Cokebottle
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        • Oct 2009
        • 32373

        I don't think a lock makes any difference. With commercial beer/wine/liquor, it's an issue of the seal being broken.

        I would imagine the brewery would have to put a personalized tape seal around the latch or the lid.
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          Spyder
          CGN Contributor
          • Mar 2008
          • 17064

          Most of the breweries I've bought growlers from seal them before you leave. And I've bought a lot of beer in the last ten years...

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            BigDogatPlay
            Calguns Addict
            • Jun 2007
            • 7362

            IIRC, ABC regs require any beverage delivered that is leaving the premise has to be sealed or otherwise unopened.
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              wilit
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              • Dec 2005
              • 5210

              Originally posted by Spyder
              Most of the breweries I've bought growlers from seal them before you leave. And I've bought a lot of beer in the last ten years...
              +1. I've got two empty growlers on top of my fridge right now from the brewery down the street. They shrink wrap them after filling.
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                xibunkrlilkidsx
                Calguns Addict
                • Sep 2008
                • 5419

                Originally posted by holyhandgrenade
                Im not LEO, so take this for what its worth.
                I saw growlers like you were describing when I was at Stone Brewery and they had a little brass luggage lock that went on them to lock them closed. I assume they did this because they would otherwise be considered an open container. Maybe youd be fine and they were just paranoid or something, I dont know.

                Also, if I recall, you can have an open container as long as its locked in the trunk of your car where you dont have access to it while driving.

                Again, not LEO so you might want to wait for someone who is actually qualified to answer definitively.
                it is a growler from stone actaully.

                no they do not do any sort of "seal" on the refills.

                Out of site out of mind is the best defense but always the chance i dont tihnk about hiding it in the back seat, which is typically cluttered with school books or my weding stuff.
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                • #9
                  holyhandgrenade
                  Member
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 374

                  Originally posted by xibunkrlilkidsx
                  it is a growler from stone actaully.

                  no they do not do any sort of "seal" on the refills.

                  Out of site out of mind is the best defense but always the chance i dont tihnk about hiding it in the back seat, which is typically cluttered with school books or my weding stuff.
                  I just looked at your location, makes sense it would be from Stone

                  Can any LEO confirm if locked in the trunk is an acceptable way to transport an open container (liquor/beer/wine whatever)?

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                  • #10
                    goober
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 4875

                    i've had lots of growlers filled myself and never had the brewery seal them either.
                    you're fine if it is in the trunk.
                    if not, putting a lock or something on it could show good faith. not having any alcohol in your system is a good idea as well.
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                    • #11
                      Turbinator
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                      • Oct 2005
                      • 11934

                      I thought "growler" was slang for something else? I was instantly thinking of that "ammo dump" thread...

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                      • #12
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                        • Sep 2007
                        • 9409

                        Storage of Opened Container

                        23225. (a) (1) It is unlawful for the registered owner of any motor vehicle to keep in a motor vehicle, when the vehicle is upon any highway or on lands, as described in subdivision (b) of Section 23220, any bottle, can, or other receptacle containing any alcoholic beverage that has been opened, or a seal broken, or the contents of which have been partially removed, unless the container is kept in the trunk of the vehicle.
                        (2) If the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk and is not an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification, as defined in Section 38012, the bottle, can, or other receptacle described in paragraph (1) shall be kept in some other area of the vehicle that is not normally occupied by the driver or passengers. For the purposes of this paragraph, a utility compartment or glove compartment shall be deemed to be within the area occupied by the driver and passengers.

                        (3) If the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk and is an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 38012, the bottle, can, or other receptacle described in paragraph (1) shall be kept in a locked container. As used in this paragraph, "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.

                        (b) Subdivision (a) is also applicable to a driver of a motor vehicle if the registered owner is not present in the vehicle.

                        (c) This section shall not apply to the living quarters of a housecar or camper.
                        Hope this helps.

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