Does ammo consitute PC?

[yzErnie]

Not being rude, but I would also ask why not since most kalifornian's get get a CCW permit? I wonder how many do LUCC.

No inflection in my voice and please do not read any into it. This is discussion only and from the perspective of someone who has 32+ years of experience. Anyone who knows anything about me knows I am very pro 2A, have had my FFL and have been selling guns of all kinds as a side business for a few years.

Quite simply, I just don't understand why folks voluntarily put themselves into a position where they are going to have contact with law enforcement. What I mean is this and I can only speak for SoCal...every time someone UOCs the switchboards light up at the dispatch centers and we get dispatched to "Man with a gun" call. Those types of calls make our minds race and if anyone says they don't suck up some seat cushion while enroute they are not being honest with themselves!!

The cops show up and sure enough, and sure enough there is a man with a sidearm strapped on. From a distance can you really tell if a slide is locked open and it is unloaded?...usually not. An encounter takes place and thankfully, the vast majority of the time things end well. Conversely, the results could be catastrophic for the UOC'er and the LEO but again, and thankfully, things usually end well.

Yes, it is within the law to UOC or ULCC but why? What is the reward?...because someone can? IMHO, there are other more effective ways to go about preserving our rights as gun owners.

As to the OP, ammo in your car may raise the curiosity of an LEO but like has been said, unless one is prohibited from possessing it then it is a non issue.

[SJgunguy24]

That's the funny thing about the internet, people never come across as how they are.

The only laws I break are the cell phone law and sometimes 5 over the limit when driving. Other than that, I'm squeaky clean.

I had only asked about the ammo because I picked up a can full of ammo and tossed it on the front seat of my truck. While I was driving I imagined a motor cop pulling up beside me and seeing the ammo.

So, I figured I'd ask and see what the real deal was on having ammo in the open. Apparently I'm a shady character because my posts are misconstrued.

Generally I'd say most don't care but some do. I was pulled over once and I had 4 rifle cases in the back of my truck and 4-5 ammo cans. The Chippy just asked if I had anything in the cab I pointed at my range bag and he was cool. He wrote up the ticket and sent me on my way.
This was in Hayward too, an area not known for their pro LEO stance and the cops there tend to be on the.........strong side of crime fighting. I don't blame them though, Hayward has a huge gang problem.

Like Ron said, keep it stashed and don't worry about it.

[Ron-Solo]

There is nothing wrong with fishing expeditions...
cops go on them all the time.



To the OP...
Just having ammo in plain sight is not PC to search nor against the law (unless the person driving is somehow restricted from owning a firearm, and I'm not sure even that would be PC to search a vehicle).

What a necro post. Since the original post was over a year old, you may not be aware that the OP was restricted from posting in the LE forum for some of his posts, which were trolling to provoke incidents.

Once again, depending on the circumstances, ammo may or may not provide PC to search. Unless you are LE or an attorney, you probably lack the expertise to provide legitimate info for such a situation.

There was a reason this post died almost a year ago.

[SVT-40]

Hello, I live in Los Angeles county now and have recently purchased a 9mm pistol. I plan on LUCC everywhere that is legally possible. I have a few questions:
1. I will lock my unloaded handun in a soft side bag with a loaded magazine with a TSA padlock to secure the zipper closed. Is having a loaded magazine in the case with the gun illegal?
2. Must I keep the loaded magazine separate from the handun that is locked inside the case? I have heard having a loaded magazine stored inside your LUCC case constitutes a "loaded handun". Is this true?
Thanks for your answers.

This poster also posted an almost identical post in another thread in the LEO forum.

Hello, I live near Los Angeles now and have recently purchased a 9mm handgun. I plan on carrying LUCC (Locked unloaded concealed carry), meaning I will place my unloaded handgun in a soft side zipper case with a TSA padlock to secure it. My questions are as follows:
1. Can the loaded magazine be stored inside the locking case with the unloaded gun? Or must the loaded magazine be carried separately (not inside the case with the gun).
2. Can I carry the loaded magazine in my pocket of my jacket or pants?
3. I plan on carrying LUCC everywhere I go, within the law. Can I carry LUCC while driving my car, at the supermarket, at a restaurant?
4. Is LUCC legal near a school zone?

I don't want to Open Carry at this time, just to avoid problems with our local overzealous police.
If anyone can answer the questions listed above, I will be grateful.
Thanks

[ArticleTheFourth]

I do agree with you on UOC, that it has inherent PC for LEOs, but LUCC is not visible (the CC part) so no reason to be checked and the public isn't aware of what they can't see.

No inflection in my voice and please do not read any into it. This is discussion only and from the perspective of someone who has 32+ years of experience. Anyone who knows anything about me knows I am very pro 2A, have had my FFL and have been selling guns of all kinds as a side business for a few years.

Quite simply, I just don't understand why folks voluntarily put themselves into a position where they are going to have contact with law enforcement. What I mean is this and I can only speak for SoCal...every time someone UOCs the switchboards light up at the dispatch centers and we get dispatched to "Man with a gun" call. Those types of calls make our minds race and if anyone says they don't suck up some seat cushion while enroute they are not being honest with themselves!!

The cops show up and sure enough, and sure enough there is a man with a sidearm strapped on. From a distance can you really tell if a slide is locked open and it is unloaded?...usually not. An encounter takes place and thankfully, the vast majority of the time things end well. Conversely, the results could be catastrophic for the UOC'er and the LEO but again, and thankfully, things usually end well.

Yes, it is within the law to UOC or ULCC but why? What is the reward?...because someone can? IMHO, there are other more effective ways to go about preserving our rights as gun owners.

As to the OP, ammo in your car may raise the curiosity of an LEO but like has been said, unless one is prohibited from possessing it then it is a non issue.