Duty calibers.

[1911su16b870]

Thank you brother...I missed the direct link before. Yes I have seen that and resemble the officer in that link...

5 x 28 AR = 140
5 x 13 + 1 G21 = 66
B/U 1 x 12 + 1 = 13

=219 and not including the 12G in the rack with (4+6) 10 and 20 slugs in my patrol bag = 30...

[Oneaudiopro]

I think the general consensus for most people is 9mm has less recoil, holds more rounds, and has good stopping capability with the proper ammo and shot placement. Carry and shoot what you're most comfortable with.

[micro911]

Not even the best premium quality ammunition works perfectly every time. I saw one 9mm bullet kill a suspect, and saw another suspect survived with more than 10 shots from the same type of bullets. I saw a Ranger XST 45 bullet go through the heart and exit the body without expanding at all with no damage to the bullet.

Now I carry a Glock 17 almost exclusively, only because I can carry 18 rounds without the need for extra magazines like 1911 type 45 caliber pistols.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Thanks, works fine using direct link. Saw it before, but makes clear that there ain't no such thing as "one size fits all", when it comes to fight stopping. Without a central nervous system denial of target.

Yup. That?s my point. It doesn?t matter between 9mm, 40 or 45. All good if you take out the CNS component, or all POOR if you miss the CNS component.

Besides, everybody knows that .357Sig is the exception to that rule!

[Che762x39]

I shot 9mm better than 45ACP. I also watched numerous smaller individuals and females who had difficulty qualifying with the 45ACP (Glock 21) versus the 9mm (Glock17).

In my day it was 357 Magnum versus 38 Special.

[Enzo rules]

Yup. That?s my point. It doesn?t matter between 9mm, 40 or 45. All good if you take out the CNS component, or all POOR if you miss the CNS component.

Besides, everybody knows that .357Sig is the exception to that rule!

Trailerpark, I carried a 229 in 357Sig. for around 5 years. I don?t remember the specs on the issued ammo other than it was Ranger brand. I never had an issue with the ammo and shot very well with it. What were/are the issues with 357Sig?

Also I?ve carried all the basics 357, 9, 40, 45 and 357Sig and I liked the 357Sig the best.

[TrailerparkTrash]

What were/are the issues with 357Sig?

None whatsoever! .357Sig absolutely P E R F O R M S !!!

Also I’ve carried all the basics 357, 9, 40, 45 and 357Sig and I liked the 357Sig the best.

Can’t argue with that either. .357Sig is my favorite 2-legged predator defensive round.

[teeemothy]

Issued .357 Sig when I first was sworn in, then agency changed to 9mm about a year or two later.

.357 Sig was great, but I believe like others mentioned the cost and overall lowest common denominator in training takes precedence.

None whatsoever! .357Sig absolutely P E R F O R M S !!!

Also I?ve carried all the basics 357, 9, 40, 45 and 357Sig and I liked the 357Sig the best.

Can?t argue with that either. .357Sig is my favorite 2-legged predator defensive round.

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[Enzo rules]

None whatsoever! .357Sig absolutely P E R F O R M S !!!

Also I?ve carried all the basics 357, 9, 40, 45 and 357Sig and I liked the 357Sig the best.

Can?t argue with that either. .357Sig is my favorite 2-legged predator defensive round.

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Good. I thought there was maybe some bad data or other issues with the round that I was not aware of. Thanks Trailerpark.

[Enzo rules]

None whatsoever! .357Sig absolutely P E R F O R M S !!!

Also I?ve carried all the basics 357, 9, 40, 45 and 357Sig and I liked the 357Sig the best.

Can?t argue with that either. .357Sig is my favorite 2-legged predator defensive round.

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Good, I thought there may be bad data or other info I was not aware of. Thanks Trailerpark.

[Ron-Solo]

I've also heard with modern technology the 9mm is a decent round. If the same technology is applied to a 45 ACP round I would think the 45 ACP is still a better round.

I'm retired and carry a 9mm.

I carry 147gr 9mm JHP in my carry guns. I’m retired and can carry anything I want. I like the 9mm because I shoot it well, and it has very good ballistics. The .40 was created for a problem that really didn?t exist. The weight difference between a 147gr 9mm and a 180gr .40 is minimal, but the 9mm is usually traveling a lot faster.

The .45 is still a great round although its 230gr slug is traveling a lot slower. But, old, fat, and slow can still be effective. Many of us old timers can relate to that.

But to say that 147JHP 9mm with have the same effect as a 230JHP 45 acp is a bit strange. Don't You think?

Not really, because of the differences in velocity also has a major impact on effectiveness.


For concealed carry, many .45s that are small enough to conceal can be a bit snappy or unpleasant to shoot. The small micro .380 pistols like the LCP can also be a bit snappy and unpleasant to shoot a lot and .380 definitely isn?t a big round.

Like others have said, carry and use what you can shoot proficiently. Magazine dumps show lack of control and skill under most circumstances. The ?double tap? is still a good mindset.