What Documentation should i show LEO's?

[Tacit Blue]

I was wondering what would be the best choice of documents regarding a AR15 OLL build? For i.e my build has a radlock installed. There are several references regarding alot of different laws and features, and the definitions already make it seem very vague and confusing for somebody trying to enforce laws. I have printed the following docs to go into my gun case along with the rifle:

http://www.calguns.net/copmemo2.pdf

http://calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

I would like the best document available possible, that is direct and straight froward for a officer who might be confused about the status of the law.


Thanks....

[Jwood562]

Honestly since the odds of you running in to a LEO that knows the OLL stuff is a crap shoot. So I would just suggest having the DROS form showing you own the firearm and maybe the calguns flow chart showing its non AW.

remeber the easier the better. the DROS form is straight forward and probably enough for most cops, if they ask more questions show them the flow chart. do not hand them piles of paper work and expect them to sift though it out where you guys have contact

[Jonathan Doe]

Honestly since the odds of you running in to a LEO that knows the OLL stuff is a crap shoot. So I would just suggest having the DROS form showing you own the firearm and maybe the calguns flow chart showing its non AW.

remeber the easier the better. the DROS form is straight forward and probably enough for most cops, if they ask more questions show them the flow chart. do not hand them piles of paper work and expect them to sift though it out where you guys have contact

I think it is a good suggestion. I carry a copy of AW registration in the stock of my registered Bushmaster for just in case.

[Tacit Blue]

Honestly since the odds of you running in to a LEO that knows the OLL stuff is a crap shoot. So I would just suggest having the DROS form showing you own the firearm and maybe the calguns flow chart showing its non AW.

remeber the easier the better. the DROS form is straight forward and probably enough for most cops, if they ask more questions show them the flow chart. do not hand them piles of paper work and expect them to sift though it out where you guys have contact

Exactly the Dros should be the only paper work required.... Maybe Bruce colodny's Attorney at law card as a Deterrence

[SkyStorm82]

I'd let you go with just a calguns sticker...

[Jwood562]

I'd let you go with just a calguns sticker...

haha me too...seriously

but just keep it simple for other officers and keep your DROS with you and maybe the flow chart

[SVT-40]

One other thing to keep in minds which many LEO's forget. It's prohibited by CLETS rules for LEO's to run assault weapon registration info over the radio. It's also prohibited for dispatch to broadcast registered assault weapons info over the radio.

CLETS is the California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System.

These rules only apply to REGISTERED ASSAULT WEAPONS not OLL's.

[buggsb]

All good advice here, but the best advice is not to put yourself in a position where you would ever need to be explaining about your OLL to a LEO. Cops typically don't go checking for this stuff at ranges and your not going to get pulled out of your car and searched for a minor traffic violation. There's nothing wrong with keeping proper documentation with you (and I encourage it), but if you never do anything to warrant the officer to question you then things will be that much easier.

[HotRails]

How about an AK OLL built from a flat? I was thinking maybe the AW flow chart and an ATF letter that states its legal to build your own rifle.

[eltee]

For a Bullet Button / Raddlock equipped rifle, the above card (laminated and kept in the gun bag, or in the gun's stock storage area, etc.) should give an investigating officer unfamiliar with the non-detachable / tool required magazines legal mumbo jumbo something to look up in the field (via radio, docked computer, MDT, CPC in the car, etc.). If he chooses unwisely to take some sort of enforcement action it will come up in court that you had that information and shared same with the officer.

Not ironclad, but better than stammering and trying to remember the ipsos from the factos and the pertinent codes and sections while tap dancing in front of a cop with no sense of humor or knowledge of OLL's with non removeable magazines.

[Jwood562]

One other thing to keep in minds which many LEO's forget. It's prohibited by CLETS rules for LEO's to run assault weapon registration info over the radio. It's also prohibited for dispatch to broadcast registered assault weapons info over the radio.

CLETS is the California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System.

These rules only apply to REGISTERED ASSAULT WEAPONS not OLL's.

good info. I did not know that.

[Ron-Solo]

For a Bullet Button / Raddlock equipped rifle, the above card (laminated and kept in the gun bag, or in the gun's stock storage area, etc.) should give an investigating officer unfamiliar with the non-detachable / tool required magazines legal mumbo jumbo something to look up in the field (via radio, docked computer, MDT, CPC in the car, etc.). If he chooses unwisely to take some sort of enforcement action it will come up in court that you had that information and shared same with the officer.

Not ironclad, but better than stammering and trying to remember the ipsos from the factos and the pertinent codes and sections while tap dancing in front of a cop with no sense of humor or knowledge of OLL's with non removeable magazines.

Very well stated. THIS is what this forum is for, sharing of good information to make contacts between gun owners professional and non-confrontational and informative.

Thank you for your post

[bootcamp]

What if you lost your DROS paperwork? Are you SOL? My stripped lower was drosed back in 2005. That piece of paper was folded up or crumpled somewhere.

[Ron-Solo]

I think I'd go with eltee's post. I'm going to do one for my non-LEO son who has an OLL.

Thanks eltee

[7222 Hawker]

I think it is a good suggestion. I carry a copy of AW registration in the stock of my registered Bushmaster for just in case.

Good idea. Where would I get a copy of my original AW registration paperwork? I don't know if I ever got a hard copy in the mail but that was a long time ago.