Any LEO willing to help check on a gun for me?

[CDK3]

I posted in thread in the FFL forum regarding if I could sell this para ordnance p14 45 I found in the garage boxed up with stuff from my wife's old ex-boyfriend from the 1990s. They didn't have an "aggravated" break up and she kept the box without looking inside basically because she is too nice and respectful and figured he would send for it. He never did for some odd reason which concerns me. Anyhow, I want to sell or trade this gun for something else but I'm concerned it may be considered lost or stolen. I'd like to get it checked on without having to actually take the gun to a police department and winding up in handcuff's myself over it. Could someone from LE or if anyone has a friend in LE willing to check on it for me? Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated?

[TRICKSTER]

I posted in thread in the FFL forum regarding if I could sell this para ordnance p14 45 I found in the garage boxed up with stuff from my wife's old ex-boyfriend from the 1990s. They didn't have an "aggravated" break up and she kept the box without looking inside basically because she is too nice and respectful and figured he would send for it. He never did for some odd reason which concerns me. Anyhow, I want to sell or trade this gun for something else but I'm concerned it may be considered lost or stolen. I'd like to get it checked on without having to actually take the gun to a police department and winding up in handcuff's myself over it. Could someone from LE or if anyone has a friend in LE willing to check on it for me? Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated?

So when it comes back as lost or stolen, what do you expect the LEO to do when they are asked about the hit in the system and what they did with the firearm?

[HKmongoose]

Why would you be selling someone elses gun. Why not give it back to him since it is his property.

[edgerly779]

Never happen. Leos have to log in with id to run serial number. If stolen instant flag on officers ID Do you have the stolen firearm, is it in custody. He then says this guy has the stolen firearm go question him.

[9Cal_OC]

Why would you be selling someone elses gun. Why not give it back to him since it is his property.

As someone pointed out, best bet is either surrender it to LEOs or go to a no-questions-asked buyback.

[CDK3]

If it was stolen, even 25 years ago, I'm totally willing to cooperate and surrender it back to it's rightful owner. I'm also even willing to throw her ex-boyriend under the bus if push came to shove, including my wife's testimony that it was in a box of his possessions she had inadvertantly stored for him 25 years ago.

I realize now there is almost no way to sell it and agree it probably would be best to just turn it in as found property or a no questions asked buyback. But it's so hard to not just keep it and plink around with it. Maybe in the future we will leave calilfornia and move to a state with no registration issues.

[SkyHawk]

Maybe in the future we will leave calilfornia and move to a state with no registration issues.

The stolen gun database is federal, and you don't want to get caught with a stolen gun and no paper trail to show how you came into possession - that is bad news in any state. Leaving CA isn't going to fix anything.

[micro911]

Not that he possessed the stolen gun, he probably reported it stolen or lost since he couldn't find it.

[edgerly779]

Take it apart and sell as parts kit with no frame and drop the frame in a lake.
It is a 300 buck plus parts kit with slide.

[Fishwishin]

Take it apart and sell as parts kit with no frame and drop the frame in a lake.
It is a 300 buck plus parts kit with slide.

^^Ka-pow!^^

It is a misdemeanor for an officer to run something through CLETS if it is not related to their investigation.

[Spaffo]

AFS doesn't "flag" an officer's ID when a stolen firearm is listed. I doubt whether any LEO would run the gun unless it was brought in for disposal or was related to an investigation, due to "need to know" and "right to know" issues. subject to narrow exceptions.

[pacrat]

I posted in thread in the FFL forum regarding if I could sell this para ordnance p14 45 I found in the garage boxed up with stuff from my wife's old ex-boyfriend from the 1990s. They didn't have an "aggravated" break up and she kept the box without looking inside basically because she is too nice and respectful and figured he would send for it. He never did for some odd reason which concerns me. Anyhow, I want to sell or trade this gun for something else but I'm concerned it may be considered lost or stolen. I'd like to get it checked on without having to actually take the gun to a police department and winding up in handcuff's myself over it. Could someone from LE or if anyone has a friend in LE willing to check on it for me? Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated?

IANACop or a Lawyer.

But I most certainly, would not unnecessarily involve LE in your dilemma. Due to the various onuses placed on them regarding firearms. Such as the egregious LEGR requirement.

CIVILLY
Personal property left at a prior residence is legally considered "ABANDONED". Not lost or stolen. Ex's failure to make any effort to reclaim the property reinforces this. It is there, because he "left it there". He didn't "lose it" he "left it". And she didn't "steal it", for same reason.

CRIMINALLY
It could be considered an "illegal transfer" of a firearm. Since the DROS passed in 1991.

Which is BTW a misdemeanor Which has a 3 YEAR Statute of Limitations. You mention "back in the 1990's" So even using 1999, as time it was left. The SOL expired 18 YEARS AGO. And that statute is "unenforceable".

Since the original "illegal transfer" that is MOOT. Was to your wife, who is immune from prosecution. Is suggest that SHE. Not YOU. File a VOLREG with DOJ. That so to speak "clears" the title of the pistol to her. And it only costs $19. I say this because, IMO, you discovering the abandoned property, and taking possession of it from her. COULD restart the 3 YEAR, SOL CLOCK.

Wait a few weeks for the DOJ to process the transfer. Then she can VOLREG it to YOU. At which time, it becomes your pistol. Total cost for both $38. With no LE involvement.

IF
Per chance her EX reported it missing or stolen 21 YEARS ago. That will throw a flag at DOJ during HER VOLREG. And would THEN likely require her to relinquish the gun to LE with explanation. BUT NO CRIMINAL LIABILITY WOULD ATTACH. Due to the SOL.

That the facts AS I SEE THEM. Again, not a cop or a lawyer. Just a well read old fart on the interwebs.

[P5Ret]

The OP left out some rather pertinent information from the first thread he started on it, as to why he is asking someone to run this gun. It seems it was located in the garage in a shoe box, under INS paperwork for the old boyfriend concerning his lack of a valid visa.

Seems the old boyfriend left the country either by his own accord or with the assistance of Uncle Sam. It may bring up a question of if the firearm was legally purchased in the first place, not just reported lost or stolen by the ex who is probably not even in the country.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1649819

[pacrat]

The OP left out some rather pertinent information from the first thread he started on it, as to why he is asking someone to run this gun. It seems it was located in the garage in a shoe box, under INS paperwork for the old boyfriend concerning his lack of a valid visa.

Seems the old boyfriend left the country either by his own accord or with the assistance of Uncle Sam. It may bring up a question of if the firearm was legally purchased in the first place, not just reported lost or stolen by the ex who is probably not even in the country.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1649819

Interesting. but would not change the current status of "abandoned property" If originally an illegal transfer to the Ex long ago. That is also covered by SOL. And WIFE doing a VOLREG, letting the DOJ know she has it. Would bring to light if it was reported stolen, and allowing person it was stolen from to recover it, if they choose.

[CDK3]

I'm not worried about the former boyfriend reporting it as stolen but rather that he himself might have stolen it, which might be why he never had someone (friends or family) come back to retrieve it from my wife. He never made a transfer to my wife, she never even knew he had a gun. Although he had immigaration issues, it wasn't like he was a gang banger getting arrested or into a lot of trouble. I say he was shady because he did steal some money from my wife. He comes from a long line of filipino "con men", especially on women. He was here on a some type of visa for nurses and maybe even became a permanent resident. I don't how if in the early 90's he would have been able to buy a gun legally as a permanent resident. If not, he probably had someone like a friend or family member buy it for him...or more likely, because of his propensity to steal, probably stole it from a friend or family member. He never returned from the Philippines due to lack of status, but could have had friends and family that still live in the area come back for it. If it was me and the gun was legal, I would tell my brother or cousin that still lives in the area to go get it.