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  • trendar5
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 1014

    M&P 9mm reported problems

    I have heard nothing but good about the M&P .45 pistols. However, I am starting to hear about problems with the 9mm. I really wanted to buy one of these, but I wonder if I should wait and see....S&W is scoring some impressive contracts for their M&P pistols. Does anybody else have info on recent problems, besides LASD (posted below)? Here is what I found on another web site....I have no idea at all if the email is authentic.

    Officer Safety: Smith & Wesson M&P Pistols
    #81704 - 04/29/09 01:28 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply


    I just received the following via email. Came from the Los Angles Sheriff's Department.


    FROM: XXXX 04/29/09 12:40:15

    SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BROADCASTANNOUNCEMENT TRAINING BUREAU
    WEAPONS TRAINING
    TO: ALL CONCERNED PERSONNEL

    SUBJECT: OFFICER SAFETY ALERT - SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOLS

    RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE FORCED A DEPARTMENTAL RE-EVALUATION OF THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL AS AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL HANDGUN FOR SWORN PERSONNEL.

    EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL SIZE PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL ON-DUTY PISTOL.

    EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P COMPACT PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL OFF-DUTY PISTOL.

    SINCE FIRST APPROVAL AS AN OPTIONAL PISTOL ON DECEMBER 10, 2008, THE FULL-SIZED AND/OR COMPACT VERSIONS OF THE 9MM SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOL HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED BY 49 SWORN PERSONNEL ON AND OFF DUTY. ONE OF THESE PISTOLS WAS DELIVERED NEW WITH AN IMPROPERLY MACHINED BARREL THAT WOULD NOT EJECT SPENT CARTRIDGE CASINGS. ANOTHER OF THESE PISTOLS EXPERIENCED A BARREL FAILURE IN MID-APRIL OF THIS YEAR. AFTER FIRING LESS THAN 10,000 ROUNDS OF TRAINING AMMUNITION. THIS PISTOL BARREL BROKE INTO TWO PIECES JUST AHEAD OF THE FIRING CHAMBER.

    ADDITIONALLY, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DEPUTY ACADEMY CLASS #XXX RECRUITS WITH ISSUED NEW SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL-SIZE PISTOLS HAVE EXPERIENCED PHASE-2 PISTOL MALFUNCTIONS, CAUSED BY SPENT CASINGS FAILING TO EXTRACT FROM BARREL CHAMBERS, DURING THE PAST TWO WEEKS OF TRAINING. CLASS #XXX RECRUITS WILL BE ISSUED BERETTA 92FS PISTOLS ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 29, 2009, AND THEIR M&P PISTOLS REMOVED FROM SERVICE.

    PERSONNEL SAFETY AND RELIABLE EQUIPMENT REMAIN OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.

    DIRECT ANY QUESTIONS (removed for PERSEC) AT THE B.C. RANGE.
    XXXXX X. XXXX, SHERIFF LRR/SNDG
  • #2
    tyrist
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2007
    • 4564

    Sounds like Smith and Wesson has a rather large problem on their hands. If LASD has disapproved them other departments will follow.

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    • #3
      SoCalDep
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 815

      The email is accurate, but there is more to the story. According to my sources (part gossip, part range staff connections) the M&P pistols are malfunctioning big time with the dept. practice ammo (Win-Clean). I can attest to the fact that this ammo sucks in terms of reliability. Of course, the M&P seems to malf more than the other approved guns.

      I heard today that the M&Ps worked fine with duty ammo, but that doesn't totally explain the barrel failure issue. If anything, it sounds like a quality control or batch problem rather than a major design flaw. It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out...

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      • #4
        robairto
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2006
        • 772

        M&P personal story

        My brother has a fullsize 9mm M&P bought new about 8 months ago. Some where around the 200 rnds fired area, the gun stopped cycling ammo. My brother like me only shoots factory ammo. I was there when it happened and could not resolve it. It became a single action pistol. He sent it to Smith at their expense and got it back in 30 days. He fired it again and the same thing happened after about 50 rnds.. So, it went back to Smith. He got it back about 2 months ago and it is working. I really like that gun but I won't buy one now. Just my own story as it pertains to the M&P 9mm.
        "I'm no school boy, I know what I like "
        SACTO area

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        • #5
          Exiledviking
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 1466

          Let's wait and see where the dust settles. I have read stories like this about almost every make of pistol issued to LE.
          "Most people understand that guns deter criminals. If a killer were stalking your family, would you feel safer putting a sign out front announcing, "This Home Is a Gun-Free Zone"? But that is what the Westroads Mall did" (in Omaha, Neb).
          - John Lott -

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          • #6
            Ksmash01
            Junior Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 1308

            I bought my M&P9 when they were first released in CA. I have to have closer to 15,000 rounds through mine since I purchased it, without 1 failure of any kind. I also have yet to clean it in the last 500 rounds and it has proven to be a champ. I must have gotten mine when the tools were still sharp.
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            • #7
              Mazilla
              Banned
              • Feb 2009
              • 479

              i've run about 2k(of whatever i could get my hands on) rounds of 9mm(since Feb). So far I have had only two stovepipes on unknown brand/age freebie reloads I got from a friend, I tossed those at the range. 500 of those 2k rounds we're factory reloads, flawless every time.

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              • #8
                Trendkill
                Veteran Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 3492

                I have two M&P's....one in 40 and one in 9mm.....both are quite flawless. The 9mm has about 500 through her....and the 40 has eaten about 4000 rounds.
                "I am the bastard son...The expendable one...
                ...War is in my blood ...Rage is in my heart."


                Originally posted by oaklander
                I didn't miss the bend-over-party every time a friend wanted to get in my back seat. . .
                Originally posted by ChrisO
                .......No not a Knights In Satans Service rifle lol.

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                • #9
                  WokMaster1
                  Part time Emperor
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 5436

                  Wow. I was just going to pick one up but now I'm going to wait & see. However if anyone of you wants to dump yours for cheap cheap, PM me. $300 or so. I'm in the SF Bay area.



                  I can dream, right? lol!
                  "Good friends, good food & good wine. Anything else is just a waste of soy sauce.":)

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                  • #10
                    CaliTheKid
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 546

                    Seems like LASD is pushing Sigs big time. Could be part political as well since the M&P was being fast tracked as the new standard issue gun for the department.

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                    • #11
                      trendar5
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 1014

                      How are they pushing Sigs? Is the Sig approved for Deputy purchase/duty carry? Are there range masters suggesting that Deputies buy them? Do you mean that more Deputies wanted LASD to buy Sigs, but the agency went with the Smith? You have me curious now....

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                      • #12
                        Jonathan Doe

                        Sig pistols are authorized as optional pistols, which means the deputies have to buy their own if they decided to carry it. They issued the M&P's to one recruit class on a trial base.

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                        • #13
                          CaliTheKid
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 546

                          Originally posted by trendar5
                          How are they pushing Sigs? Is the Sig approved for Deputy purchase/duty carry? Are there range masters suggesting that Deputies buy them? Do you mean that more Deputies wanted LASD to buy Sigs, but the agency went with the Smith? You have me curious now....
                          They are approved, some range staff like them a lot and do push them. Some range staff liked the M&P.

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                          • #14
                            Ron-Solo
                            In Memoriam
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 8581

                            The Sig P250 is being evaluated right now for LASD. The range staff is divided, some supporting the M&P and others pushing for the SIG P250. I'm sticking with my H&K P2000.
                            LASD Retired
                            1978-2011

                            NRA Life Member
                            CRPA Life Member
                            NRA Rifle Instructor
                            NRA Shotgun Instructor
                            NRA Range Safety Officer
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                            • #15
                              squatting_caveboy
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 141

                              WorkMaster1 - what's that all about??? Playing up the heresay about the M&P to your advantage, eh? hmmmmm.....

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