LE and selling off-Roster handguns

[socalbeachbum]

I just received on 6/24/21 to DOJ letter BOF/PUB-0020 - but why?

Why did I get mailed this letter? Is it because I have done a few non-roster transfers in past couple years?

Most of the letter lists who they see as LE officials, but the opening sentence is the only statement that caught my attention:

"Criminal penalties may attach to persons who sell, purchase, give, or otherwise transfer a non-roster handgun."

Am I about to be raided or investigated?

copy is attached as a jpg file of page 1 and 2, the entire mailing.

[Librarian]

Why di I get mailed this letter? Is it because I have done a few non-roster transfers in past couple years?

Most of the letter lists who they see as LE officails, but the opening sentence is the only statement that caught my attention:

"Criminal penalties may attach to persons who sell, purchase, give, or otherwise transfer a non-roster handgun.

Am I about to be raided or investigated?

copy is attached as a jpg file of page 1 and 2, the entire mailing.

See this thread - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1724679

[socalbeachbum]

ok, so either POST certs or the X81 exemption triggered the mailings, got it thanks.

But what about the opening statement? Criminal penalties for those who sell or
purchase non-roster? Thousands of buyers and sellers are transferring non-rosters.

[Librarian]

ok, so either POST certs or the X81 exemption triggered the mailings, got it thanks.

But what about the opening statement? Criminal penalties for those who sell or
purchase non-roster? Thousands of buyers and sellers are transferring non-rosters.

Statement applies only to CA LE as described in the letter.

[socalbeachbum]

oh ok that makes more sense I suppose thanks

[RCxRC]

In reading the original legislation for the updated chapter that PC 32000 is in, it mentions that not only will the Dept & LEO receive "notification" of the law (including possible penalties), buyers of off-roster handguns would also receive notice. It is simply advisory.

[BoulderTroll]

Sorry to be "that guy" who wants to be spoonfed answers, but in this case, I'm him. Long week at work, starting a divorce, and my head is on information overload, so please help out the moron...

Due to said divorce, I'm going to be selling some guns. I'm a full-time deputy sheriff in CA. If my agency has no policy against it, can I sell off-roster guns that I bought under the exemption to non-LEO's in a PPT? I've done it before with no issues, just wondering if a law has changed in the last year or two that now says I can't. And before anyone says it, I'm aware of the 2 month between purchase and sale red flag stuff...I've owned all these for years so I think I'm good there as far as showing no intent for resale at time of purchase.

Thanks in advance!

[Librarian]

Sorry to be "that guy" who wants to be spoonfed answers, but in this case, I'm him. Long week at work, starting a divorce, and my head is on information overload, so please help out the moron...

Due to said divorce, I'm going to be selling some guns. I'm a full-time deputy sheriff in CA. If my agency has no policy against it, can I sell off-roster guns that I bought under the exemption to non-LEO's in a PPT? I've done it before with no issues, just wondering if a law has changed in the last year or two that now says I can't. And before anyone says it, I'm aware of the 2 month between purchase and sale red flag stuff...I've owned all these for years so I think I'm good there as far as showing no intent for resale at time of purchase.

Thanks in advance!

As a Deputy, you are 'tier one' and not restricted from resale by law. Your employer may have its own opinion, as you note.

[BoulderTroll]

As a Deputy, you are 'tier one' and not restricted from resale by law. Your employer may have its own opinion, as you note.

Thank you, Sir!

[Yogi5811]

Has there been any update to LEO’s doing PPT of an off roster to non LEO? I attempted to do a PPT yesterday but the FFL said he wasn’t able to do it since the other party wasn’t LEO. I have some other off rosters that was I considering to sell or trade but want to know if I will be able to. The pistol was purchase by my LEO exemption in 2018 and I believe I fall under category 1 being employed as a police officer for a federal agency.

[9Cal_OC]

Has there been any update to LEO’s doing PPT of an off roster to non LEO? I attempted to do a PPT yesterday but the FFL said he wasn’t able to do it since the other party wasn’t LEO. I have some other off rosters that was I considering to sell or trade but want to know if I will be able to. The pistol was purchase by my LEO exemption in 2018 and I believe I fall under category 1 being employed as a police officer for a federal agency.

Who’s the FFL?

Some like SW won’t do them anymore regardless of what tier you are in; only LEO to LEO.

[Rogue187]

You should name the FFL so another LEO won't make the mistake of going to that shop and wasting time.
Some shops are ignorant of the differences in the Tier's but it also doesn't help that they are getting misinformation from DOJ.

[Yogi5811]

[Yogi5811]

You should name the FFL so another LEO won't make the mistake of going to that shop and wasting time.
Some shops are ignorant of the differences in the Tier's but it also doesn't help that they are getting misinformation from DOJ.

This shop just said no off roster PPT to civilians and didn’t inquire about the tier. I was also picking up a .308 lever action and was given a questionnaire to complete. First question asked was if I purchased a semi automatic weapon in the last 30 days. I said yeah I just DROS’d a semi auto shotgun this morning and he had to get clarification that it would be ok to proceed. I ended up not doing any transactions that day even after they said I was fine because it was just a shotgun. They did have a good selection of firearms though.

[donutboi]

It looks like DOJ just updated the penal code regarding off roster handgun. They removed Tier 3 completely and updated Tier 2.

It doesn’t say anything about “for duty use” for Tier 2 anymore.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/exemptpo