Dealing with SCMs after the stay?

[ubermick]

Officers and deputies - not a LEO, but wanted to ask the overall consensus.(granted its with Calguns members, so not an official position) Will you and your colleagues be reinforcing the use of magazines over 10 rounds at ranges?

And as always, thank you guys for doing what you do to keep us and ours safe on a daily basis.

[explosivewhale]

What magazines?

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[ubermick]

What magazines?

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Bwaaaahahahaha! I have a feeling this thread will devolve into a list of folks I need to buy a beer for.

But...

I haven't experienced it myself, but I've had friends say that they've been stopped at ranges by folks asking about mags a while back when that person noted that they heard more than 10 rounds being fired (he had a 10 round mag, but had one in the chamber). Haven't shot since Magazine Spring began, but wonder what the scenario will be post-stay. (Would imagine it wouldn't be an issue as long as someone isn't being a jackass and magdumping... which happens)

[DNA]

[CBR_rider]

Let me put it this way... how eagerly was it enforced prior to the brief reprieve? How many cases did we hear about without any other kind of felon in possession/ADW/robbery/etc charges? No one who didn’t care about the ban before will care now, and anyone who cared to try and enforce it before will probably still try now.

[P5Ret]

If someone has enough time on their hands on duty to hang around the local range and check on mag's, I'm quite sure someone could find a better use of their time for them. Especially if they are attempting to enforce a law that has been put on hold by the court.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Enforce what??? Middle finger. -nuff said

[veeklog]

Officers and deputies - not a LEO, but wanted to ask the overall consensus.(granted its with Calguns members, so not an official position) Will you and your colleagues be reinforcing the use of magazines over 10 rounds at ranges?

And as always, thank you guys for doing what you do to keep us and ours safe on a daily basis.

Unless you were/are a felon in possession of a firearm with SCM during a legit arrest, I don’t know too many LEO’s that will care (well, maybe BOF, but there are so few of them). Many of us old guys (twenty plus years) are gun guys and going to purchase SCM even for us is still a PITA. Enjoy your new magazines and freedom; finally a win for Cali gun owners.

[Ron-Solo]

SCM........Small Capacity Magazine? You should be flogged for not buying 11+ capacity magazines when the window was open.

I hate the term “standard capacity magazine” anyway. It doesn’t mean greater than 10 rounds, because standard capacity for a metric crapton of guns, such as a 1911 or many .22 pistols is 10 rounds or less.

Kalifornia has a legal definition, for now, of a “Large Capacity Magazine” as one holding more than 10 rounds. Whilst stupid and arbitrary, it’s still a legal definition. Why play silly word games? The slang term, “hicap magazine” was around a lot longer than Kommiefornia’s ban. I remember hearing it back in the 70’s when I was issued my first duty weapon, a Smith & Wesson Model 59.

Everyone understands what it means, so why not use the term in common use with your gun “in common use” and your magazines “in common use” to be on the same sheet of music

[pacrat]

I hate the term such as a 1911 or many .22 pistols is 10 rounds or less.

Which is a factually correct statement, but contains semantic conflicts.
You express hate for a term that you accurately claim relates to specific firearms as designed. Then accurately describe 2 such firearms, underlined, and their SCM volume.

Why do you claim an accurate description is a "silly word game" after giving an accurate description of why it is not? And also accurately pointing out that the made up "legal term" of LCM rather than SCM, as used by Ca, and IIRC, 3 other states is "stupid and arbitrary". And not accurate, because as you pointed out, what a SCM is, is determined by the firearms designer.

As designed your mentioned S&W m59 had a 14 rnd SCM. I was around then also. The m59 was a redo of the m39 which had a SCM of only 8 rnds. And S&W made a big deal of advertising their new 9mm semi-auto, targeted at cop markets, as an improvement because of the new "HiCapacity" magazines. Which held 8 rnds more than the revolvers most cops carried. And 6 rnds more than their predecessor m-39. They designed it. They can call it whatever. And a 14 rnd SCM is "higher capacity" when compared to an 8 rnd SCM.

As designed in the 50s the original Stoner AR-10 used a 20 round SCM.
Then the original AR-15 series were 20 or 30 rnd SCM option.
Then the M-16 variant used a 20 rnd SCM.
And the M-16a1 stepped up to 30 rnd SCM.

Since 2000, SCM became an accurate, and semantically factual verbal snub to the "silly word games" that politicians played with their, according to you, "stupid and arbitrary" LCM moniker.
Can you explain the logic of your claim that refusing to "play a silly word game" is itself a "silly word game"?

Everyone knows the world over, as you accurately described, what a SCM is, and always was.
Is "in common use" actually so common, when only a very tiny portion of the world [politicians and lawyers in 4 states] uses it?

Are we as a 2A community fighting against wrongful political agendas, and their manipulative word games, or playing music?

I honestly want to hear your reasoning, because as written. I'm just not understanding.

[pacrat]

Enforce what??? Middle finger. -nuff said

Thank you sir.

That is the unanimous consensus of the 20 or so SoCal LEOs, [friends and acquaintances] I've asked. Including my Grandson on LASD.

Let's hear it for Section 4....................