LACSD-Fed soon resigning

[twinfin1000]

Hi. I am looking for anyone in the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Dept. who may give me any information on how to obtain a CCW. I live in Carson, and I can't get any info from the Carson's Sheriff's Station on what to do. I have worked as a CO for over 11 years and I have to resign for medical purposes. When I resign I will no longer be eligible to carry under LEOSA. Can anyone please help me out?

[RickD427]

Double check your understanding of the LEOSA. If you were honorably separated after 10 years of service, you meet the longevity provisions to carry under LEOSA. You'll still need to meet the identity document requirement, and annual qualification requirement to carry under LEOSA.

L.A. County just elected a new Sheriff and his CCW policy is not yet known, but given his background, don't look for any changes from his predecessors.

Under the policies of the five Sheriffs before him, you're not going to get a CCW based on your prior employment.

The Carson Station desk personnel should have provided you with an application form. They are available at stations and any deputy knowlegable in desk operations can easily provide you with one.

[1911su16b870]

Department of Corrections retired ID (a CCW endorsement on it even better if possible) and your range staff should qualify you to meet LEOSA. Also, talk with your fellow employees/retirees on what they do?

[Yodaman]

[P5Ret]

Are you resigning for some condition unrelated to work, or are you being retired due to a work related injury or other condition? It make's a difference for LEOSA.

[twinfin1000]

I’m resigning due to medical reasons and it’s not work related. I’ve been on the job for almost 11 years and my HR has told me that I will not be covered if I resign. If I medically retire I will be covered but it doesn’t look like that’s a possibility. I don’t want to leave the job but my body is done. I will not have an issue finding a sedatary job. I just want to be able to protect my children when I’m out and about.

[RickD427]

Are you resigning for some condition unrelated to work, or are you being retired due to a work related injury or other condition? It make's a difference for LEOSA.

Gents,

Once an LEO passes the 10 year service mark, there is no relevance to a medical issue being job-connected with regard to LEOSA's computation of service. Here is the relevant language from 18 USC 926(c)(3) concerning the definition of a "Qualified Retired LEO":

(A) before such separation, served as a law enforcement officer for an aggregate of 10 years or more; or

(B) separated from service with such agency, after completing any applicable probationary period of such service, due to a service-connected disability, as determined by such agency.

Please note that the conjunctive term in the statute is "or". Once the LEO passes the 10 year point, it is not necessary for the agency to determine that the medical separation was due to a job-connected injury. Also please note, that although the statute uses the term "retired", there is no requirement that the former LEO draw retirement benefits as is commonly associated with the term.

However, the former LEO must still possess the required identification card, and complete the required range qualification each year.

The first agency that I worked for has opted to frustrate the LEOSA privileges of it's medical retirees by declining to issue the identification card.

[Ron-Solo]

I don’t know about your agency, but some have an option for a “non-service connected disability” retirement. I know someone from LASD that had kidney disease that prevented her from being a Deputy Sheriff. She had over 10 years on before retirement.

If you are vested in your retirement system, you are retiring rather than resigning, even if you defer your retirement benefits to a later time.

[twinfin1000]

I work for the Bureau of Prisons and getting the correct info from my Union and my HR department is nearly impossible because they just don’t know what they’re doing. I will ask my HR about an ID that will cover me under LEOSA when I either resign or somehow medically retire. That leads me to another question. How do I receive the required annual training to be able to carry under LEOSA after I leave? I am a firearms instructor for the Bureau of Prisons

[BadKitty]

I don't know how the BOP does it; but, with us, our retirees simply show up to the agency range to complete their quals. As a BOP weapons instructor/rangemaster, you have never proctored a retiree's quals? Does your agency have a written policy for off-duty carry (for all officers, not just retirees)? I imagine that retirees would be mentioned in a sub-section of that policy.