Gun Free zones and off duty cops carrying?

[mark19]

Places like some bars or Disneyland don’t allow guns regardless if you’re active LEO. This is their policy, not the law. It’s private property, they have the right to refuse entry if you violate their policy.

[P5Ret]

So I think this quote from the linked article is what is causing a lot of confusion.
"Crime Prevention Research Center’s (CPRC) John R. Lott reported that the Borderline Bar & Grill was a gun-free zone by law. CPRC posted a California Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms form explaining that the state of California prohibits the carrying of firearms “in a place having a primary purpose of dispensing alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption.”"

Now we all know the media's habit of making things up to suit their purpose, is this one of those times? I looked and have not been able to find any such law on the books in Ca, not that I've been in a bar recently so it wouldn't effect me. I think some are mistaking the decision not to carry by the off duty cops who were at the bar for the show, as law since the media has said so. Probably more like a what was a good decision at the time, knowing that they would be drinking. Anyone who second guesses that decision after the fact is a moron.

I know department policy can restrict carrying and alcohol consumption, and many IA's place restriction's on carrying where alcoholic beverage service is a primary business, but neither of those things make it a GFZ.

[CinnamonBear723]

I don't know of any such law either. Maybe the author was confusing the colleges being a gun free zone and the fact that it was college night.

I've never had an issue going to a bar and having a few drinks while armed. It's up to the individual to know their limits and policies and be responsible enough not to create issues.

[BlackyHouston]

1) He couldn't control his alcohol. He was a jackass
2) He was "break dancing." 'nuff said.

Next?

Your an IDIOT if you think you can justify your drinking... Time to disarm you of your CCW...!

[P5Ret]

pc 626.9 only covers areas "inside the school zone, but not on school grounds". What PC allows LEOs off duty to CCW on gun free zones?

Are you sure you read it? Because I don't think you understood what you were reading.

(5) When the person holds a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of Division 5 of Title 4 of Part 6, who is carrying that firearm in an area that is not in, or on the grounds of, a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, but within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of the public or private school.

Looks to me like the above only applies to someone holding an LTC issued under 26150 CPC.

This would grant an exemption to a peace officer listed under any of the subsections of 830 CPC.

(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision (d) of Section 7582.1 of the Business and Professions Code.

Not that it matter's because bar's are not GFZ by any law that I can find in Ca.

[chsk9]

Your an IDIOT if you think you can justify your drinking... Time to disarm you of your CCW...!

Please take a moment and engage your brain before you begin typing. Lots of us don't have to get hammered to have a good time, and can enjoy a beer over the course of a few hours and be capable of responding to situations while others in the party enjoy themselves more freely.

[71MUSTY]

I understand some people can’t handle their alcohol, but some people can handle what they drink before drinking

Is it legal or not legal for police to carry in gun free zones like the Thousand Oaks shooting

In California Bars are not GFZones. While it is not illegal for off duty LEO's to carry in a bar or while drinking, it is against many agencies policy's. Same is true with CCW holders. There is no Law making it illegal, but it is a condition you agree to when you obtain a CCW.

Violating your Employer's or IA's policies is not a good idea.

Perhaps this shooting will get Agencies to take a second look at that policy.

[P5Ret]

PC 629 is called the CAL. gun free school zone act, so anything in this code pertains to school zones, NOT bars. And yes, it is obvious that on duty peace officers may carry their firearms in 99% of locations in the state so you did not inform anything new there. Like many others, you need to read the ENTIRE code section before commenting.

Seriously your going to call me out? So why did you ask this question? You're the one who brought up school zones. Which by the way when referring to firearms are usually GFSZ, probably to distinguish between the few other codified GFZ in the state.

pc 626.9 only covers areas "inside the school zone, but not on school grounds". What PC allows LEOs off duty to CCW on gun free zones?

It appear's that you didn't read the whole section as you're telling me to do, based on the question.

Also seems like you're answering question's for people and really don't know the answer's, but you do make a good WAG at it. Pretty good at playing victim too when you're called out on your missteps.

So despite your letter from the Sheriff of San Francisco County granting you full peace officer power's, you never bothered to learn that the penal code does not make a distinction between on-duty and off-duty, for 830.1 & 830.2 classification.

[Mayor McRifle]

Time to disarm you of your CCW...!

[1911david]

Off duty

Off duty le can't carry on school grounds unless they get special permission I know le that say they have to leave there gun when they pick up there kids

[esy]

Off duty le can't carry on school grounds unless they get special permission I know le that say they have to leave there gun when they pick up there kids

That is incorrect.

(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision (d) of Section 7582.1 of the Business and Professions Code.

[esy]

pc 626.9 only covers areas "inside the school zone, but not on school grounds". What PC allows LEOs off duty to CCW on gun free zones?

YOU need to read the PC.

(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision (d) of Section 7582.1 of the Business and Professions Code.

I believe that this thread has run its course. Several other, actual CA LEOs have stated correct information.

A Gun Free Zone is a school/school grounds; not a bar. A LEO can carry in a gun free zone as has been clearly stated.

A LEO may carry into a bar, however, it may be against their own, individual department policy.

[esy]

you are still missing that only ON DUTY LEOs can carry in these places. I ask again, what PC allows OFF duty LEOs to carry in these "gun free zones" or these private property bars that don't allow concealed carry?, you don't have an answer. Also, you have drunk the cool-aid if you think that a "gun free zone" exists because they don't, there are always legal exceptions.

Where in the PC that I, or anyone else, had quoted states on duty? Please show me.

Please stop trying to decipher CA law and stating that you enforced it because clearly you didn’t if you don’t even understand it.

Again, a bar is NOT a gun free zone. Stop referring to it as such. OP clearly did not know a bar is NOT a gun free zone. Stop bringing up schools as you were the first and original person to do such.

[eta34]

you are still missing that only ON DUTY LEOs can carry in these places. I ask again, what PC allows OFF duty LEOs to carry in these "gun free zones" or these private property bars that don't allow concealed carry?, you don't have an answer. Also, you have drunk the cool-aid if you think that a "gun free zone" exists because they don't, there are always legal exceptions.

Please cite the applicable section indicating only on-duty officers may carry in these locations.

[P5Ret]

you are still missing that only ON DUTY LEOs can carry in these places. I ask again, what PC allows OFF duty LEOs to carry in these "gun free zones" or these private property bars that don't allow concealed carry?, you don't have an answer. Also, you have drunk the cool-aid if you think that a "gun free zone" exists because they don't, there are always legal exceptions.

Let's just assume for a moment that your interpretation of the law is accurate, it's a stretch but let's pretend. Does it make sense to you that an off duty LEO can not carry on school grounds, but a retired LEO can?

I sure hope you can explain that, because it certainly makes no sense to me to restrict active off duty LEO's but allow retired LEO's to carry on the school grounds.


Oh and just to clarify it's Kool-aid, not cool-aid.