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  • #16
    HAVOC5150
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 1667

    Originally posted by Bart1015
    If the Officer bought the rifle with via Department Letterhead and also registered it as an AW in his name he can keep it. Even if he got it post 2000. Several officers in my department did it this way, including me.
    I disagree. I had a conversation with the former chief of Vallejo PD and a few months after he retired he was sent a letter by the DOJ to either move the rifle out of state or sell it to an active LEO.

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    • #17
      Galli1565
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2012
      • 799

      I thought CA AB 1192 that was signed into law by brown specifically addressed this, allowing honorably retired PO’s to keep their rifles?
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      • #18
        RickD427
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Jan 2007
        • 9276

        Negative. AB 1192 only addressed large capacity magazines. It contained nothing with regard to RAW's.
        If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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        • #19
          Galli1565
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 799

          Thanks Rick as always for the clarification!
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          • #20
            RickD427
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jan 2007
            • 9276

            Originally posted by Galli1565
            Thanks Rick as always for the clarification!
            You're most welcome. Just trying to keep good folks outta trouble. It's not so easy the way California handles its lawmaking process.
            If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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            • #21
              1911_sfca
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 1371

              Originally posted by RickD427
              Brett,

              You've got a pretty good analysis above. Every LEA has the right to evaluate the basis of laws that they have the ability to enforce. Except for a few specified games of chance, there is no requirement that agencies enforce any particular law, there is only an ability for them to enforce the law.

              Without having a lawful basis, specifically a statute to charge an ex-officer with, I would also decline to take any action.
              I agree; Brett's analysis is much more reasonable than opinion 09-901, when it comes to various aspects of the law. Their opinion neglects property law, and other considerations. A good judge would not agree with it.

              That said, having a lawfully purchased and duly registered firearm as one's property doesn't seem to invoke the same property rights protections that it should (and does, in other states).

              Originally posted by HAVOC5150
              I disagree. I had a conversation with the former chief of Vallejo PD and a few months after he retired he was sent a letter by the DOJ to either move the rifle out of state or sell it to an active LEO.
              And I take it he didn't want to be the test case?
              Last edited by 1911_sfca; 10-18-2018, 7:21 AM.

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              • #22
                HAVOC5150
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 1667

                Originally posted by 1911_sfca
                And I take it he didn't want to be the test case?

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                • #23
                  Bart1015
                  Member
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 216


                  Or, the Ex-Chief knew the person he talked to might just broadcast the details of the conversation, including details about the agency to unknown people on a public forum.

                  The prior Chief may have decided to limit his involvement in this type of potental unwanted attention.
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