LEOSA ID question

[code_blue]

That would be a bummer if the agency refuses to issue LEOSA ID's/Carry Creds. I suppose one recourse is to take the agency to civil recourse much like the recent case of correctional deputies winning their case against their SO.

Sorry, I can't remember which department exactly, but essentially the correctional deputies just needed to complete the 832 firearms portion to meet the remaining LEOSA requirement. Maybe it was probation. Not sure, but I'm gather that one of you folks will have better knowledge.

[RickD427]

That would be a bummer if the agency refuses to issue LEOSA ID's/Carry Creds. I suppose one recourse is to take the agency to civil recourse much like the recent case of correctional deputies winning their case against their SO.

Sorry, I can't remember which department exactly, but essentially the correctional deputies just needed to complete the 832 firearms portion to meet the remaining LEOSA requirement. Maybe it was probation. Not sure, but I'm gather that one of you folks will have better knowledge.

The problem with the civil litigation route is that a plaintiff would have to show that employer had a duty to issue the cards.

Right now I don't see where that is the case.

[Kevfin]

Leaving service is not an issue. That was covered in a 2010 update that eliminated the pension requirement. The requirement is that you separate in -Good Standing-

I was looking for the case law that stated agencies do not have to provide retirement credentials. Can't find it. However, it may have been a legal interpretation I read a while back that said you are SOOL with no recourse. Also, you're not alone. Maybe, you can convince your Chief to stamp your current card "Retired" or make some other concession - 20 years is a long time and you should be rewarded for your service.

5. The department I retired from will not give me retirement credentials, what can I do?

This is a question we are encountering far too frequently, and regrettably there is no clear guidance that can be provided. LEOSA does not bestow either an explicit right to obtain the required identification or a federal remedy for a state agency's failure to issue one. Such refusal is foolish policy but it is a political issue, not a legal one.

See this link:

http://le.nra.org/leosa/frequently-asked-questions.aspx

[CaptMike]

my department has the same issue. if you resign to go to a different job, they will not issue any card. you turn in your LEO ID and that's it. The intent of the law is that anyone over 10 years of service has Leosa coverage.

at the minimum, If your chief refuses to give you some type of service disconnect ID(which probably doesn't exist), then you must try something else.

I would ask for a letter on Dept letterhead from personnel or your immediate supervisor that says this person served as a law enforcement officer in good standing from this date to this date. I would have the letter list your department serial number as well as your drivers license number. If your job allows it, take a picture of your current work ID. laminate that letter and attach a print out of your work I'd and that is what you would carry with you. It technically is not an ID, but demonstrates your time in service and that you had a government issued work ID.

Since your current government issued drivers license number is on the letter, it is a government issued ID that is connected to your service.

This is obviously trying to find a way to convince an officer that stops you that you are covered by Leosa. this may fly or it may not. This may even turn in to a test case, so you take the risk. This is what I would do if I disconnected before retirement.

[yzErnie]

OP, have you checked with PORAC for guidance or an answer?

[deadcoyote]

[yzErnie]

Sometimes I think PORAC is worthless.

[eta34]

For the most part, PORAC is worthless.

[deadcoyote]

Good news first, got my ID, and my chief didn't exercise his right to bill be for the service, which was nice.

Yeah, the guy I spoke with at PORAC told me this is an issue for retired guys so it doesn't really affect their members. I pointed out all of their members will one day be retired and he just chuckled and said good point, maybe we'll look into it in the future.

[P5Ret]

Good news first, got my ID, and my chief didn't exercise his right to bill be for the service, which was nice.

Yeah, the guy I spoke with at PORAC told me this is an issue for retired guys so it doesn't really affect their members. I pointed out all of their members will one day be retired and he just chuckled and said good point, maybe we'll look into it in the future.

I guess he doesn't know that PORAC has retired associate member's.