LEOSA ID question

[deadcoyote]

[Rogue187]

You should check with the department that you are leaving from. There should be a provision for Former Law Enforcement Officer identification. You are not retiring but leaving service.
There are some restrictions and requirements.
In most you must have aggregate of 10 years of service.

Look under the following US statue: 18 USC 926. You could fall under section A, B, C and sub paragraphs.

You should do the research to see which one apply to you..


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[deadcoyote]

Thanks guys, I have my documents and will make an attempt with my chief.

[P5Ret]

The issue you may run into is that the penal code uses the term honorably retired for the exemption to carry concealed. Just changing jobs to a non-sworn position may nullify the honorably retired part since you aren't really retiring. I don't know for sure or have anything to point to for that, just throwing it out there.

[deadcoyote]

The issue you may run into is that the penal code uses the term honorably retired for the exemption to carry concealed. Just changing jobs to a non-sworn position may nullify the honorably retired part since you aren't really retiring. I don't know for sure or have anything to point to for that, just throwing it out there.

The code says you have to be honorably separated and not have left in lieu of any kind of investigation or disciplinary action. It's not that deal at all, just got a better offer.

[code_blue]

Sounds like you're good to go. Just make sure your department issues you a LEOSA type ID and you've qualified on firearms within the year. Your LEOSA qual requirement will be annual moving forward.

Would the two agencies fall under the same retirement system? If not, are you eligible for retirement with your current? If so, have you considered formally retiring (with CA retiree carry creds) and taking on the job with the other agency?

Lots of "What abouts" here, but I'm sure you've done your legwork. Lastly, buy all of the pistols that you want now because you'll loose the exemption after separation. Good luck and congrats for making it 20 years.

[P5Ret]

Hororably just means you weren't fired or dishonorably discharged like in the military.

Doesn't matter if your new job is unsworn. That's irrelevant to this provision of LEOSA.

LEOSA does not require an agency to issue a credential that allows retired or separated officer's to carry. State law uses the term "honorably retired", if the agency does not consider the person retired, or does not issue credentials to carry when someone leaves for another job, it could be a problem. I guess it all depends on how the agency head feels about someone leaving to take another job outside the field.

[P5Ret]

Disagree. I don't see any problem whatsoever.

I just requalified and got my new dept issued LEOSA card. They don't give a rat's behind whether I work anywhere else or not. Walmart or whatever, it just doesn't matter. Just have to requalify each year to carry. That's it.

What part of LEOSA does not require an agency to issue a credential to carry concealed do you not understand? This isn't about where someone goes to work after they leave, it has to do with will the agency issue an ID to allow them to carry, and LEOSA does not force agency's do to that.

If the agency does not issue an ID to carry for persons who just leave the job, instead of retiring, and I know there are agency's that don't, there is not a damn thing LEOSA is going to do to make it happen.

[yzErnie]

I would guess after 20 sworn years you are vested. So I guess the real question and the maybe qualifier to obtaining an LEOSA ID is....

Are you retiring or resigning?

[deadcoyote]

[yzErnie]

I don't know the exact content of the LEOSA but there may be a differene in retired or resigned. I believe you can still retire and defer the retirement pay until you reach 50...at least you can on the dept I worked for.

[chsk9]

What part of LEOSA does not require an agency to issue a credential to carry concealed do you not understand? This isn't about where someone goes to work after they leave, it has to do with will the agency issue an ID to allow them to carry, and LEOSA does not force agency's do to that.

If the agency does not issue an ID to carry for persons who just leave the job, instead of retiring, and I know there are agency's that don't, there is not a damn thing LEOSA is going to do to make it happen.

So if your agency/chief don't want to issue you a LEOSA/Retired credential you are dead in the water? I would seem that if there is documentation of your employment that is what the law requires, not a credential if I understand correctly.

[RickD427]

Disagree. I don't see any problem whatsoever.

I just requalified and got my new dept issued LEOSA card. They don't give a rat's behind whether I work anywhere else or not. Walmart or whatever, it just doesn't matter. Just have to requalify each year to carry. That's it.

So if your agency/chief don't want to issue you a LEOSA/Retired credential you are dead in the water? I would seem that if there is documentation of your employment that is what the law requires, not a credential if I understand correctly.

sgt1372,

Here's the problem that you apparently don't see:

1) The OP leaves his peace officer position after 20 years, but does not retire.

2) The LEOSA provides him with coverage after 10 years of service, but one requirement of the LEOSA is that the former officer carry "a photographic identification card identifying as having been employed as a law enforcement officer." The law is clear as to the ID card requirement and does not make provision for other forms of service verification.

3) There is no requirement in the LEOSA that agencies issue such an identification card.

So all that has to happen is for the agency to say "sorry, we don't issue ID cards to former officers." The net effect of such a policy statement is that the OP losses their LEOSA coverage.

It's not an academic point. The first LE agency that I worked for has taken such a position with their medical retirees who do not qualify for service retirement. They collect their retirement pay every month, but the agency does not issue them any form of ID card that would allow them to carry under the LEOSA.

[yzErnie]

Since you are vested, look into what their options are as far as retiring and deferring your retirement until 50. I think that is where the it is going to make the difference ...retiring vs resigning.

[P5Ret]

Well, I think that you think that you think you know more than you do and that what you think matters doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

So, there's no point in belaboring the point further. The OP will discover what if anything matters in his case

EOM. Ciao.

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