Question Regarding CLETS with PPOs

[Ocguy31]

Hello CGF LEOs,

Let's say a male obtained a permanent DVRO (3 year) on an ex gf. In retaliation, she attempted to get an ex-parte TRO against the original moving party. Attempt denied, no TRO or PPO ever ordered against the male.

Question: When running the name of the victim/protected party during any contact, is it instantly obvious who is restrained versus who is protected? Or is there a chance that there could be a detainment and disarmament until it is sorted out?

Even if the order is carried with the victim as suggested by the court, that doesn't prove that there are not mutual orders.

Thanks!

[Ocguy31]

I guess LEOs don't come across citizens possessing firearms who have active restraining orders against other parties, or they do and it is not a big deal. That is what I was hoping for.

FYI everyone, if you know you are being retaliated against by a scorned ex trying to take away your 2A rights without merit, do not give up. If the facts are on your side, and you didn't give the Judge a reason to see you as a threat (nasty text messages, any form of threat, etc), you can still win in court, and with a female judge at that.

On the other hand, if you are an abuser towards women and they should fear you, don't waste the courts time, and maybe even take a bath with a toaster.

[CBR_rider]

I’m not sure I understand.. a restraining order in CLETS lists a restrained and a protected party. Unless you to have the same name and same birthday I don’t see what would be confusing about it.

[Ocguy31]

I’m not sure I understand.. a restraining order in CLETS lists a restrained and a protected party. Unless you to have the same name and same birthday I don’t see what would be confusing about it.

I guess I could have been more clear, I apologize. I understand that once the time has been taken to run the ID through the system, the LEO would make the accurate determination.

My real concern, being a male, is if getting stopped while carrying or driving, and if it gets into the weeds far enough that the restraining order or other dis qualifier is brought up, is just how easy it is to confirm that I am telling the truth. Is it a simple radio call where I keep my hands in plain view, or would I be detained/disarmed while a trip to the squad car is required.

I am sensitive to the fact that the odds of escalation even during a peaceful and professional interaction with an armed citizen, in a part of the country where LEOs do not encounter that every day, are greater than 0%.

Also, I am usually trying to get somewhere fast and do not want to be disarmed, restrained, etc. I respect the danger that LEOs face, so I am not looking to make a youtube video pretending I am a legal scholar and ask for a "watch commander" either.

FYI I was pulled over on Monday and asked about the order and if there were any firearms in the vehicle, which there weren't at the time.

[P5Ret]

I'm not exactly sure how it would come up, other than the fact when your DL is run it will be there, with you listed as the protected party.

Just maybe if you weren't usually trying to get somewhere fast, it may lessen your chances of getting stopped and having to worry about interactions with LE.

[Ocguy31]

I'm not exactly sure how it would come up, other than the fact when your DL is run it will be there, with you listed as the protected party.

Just maybe if you weren't usually trying to get somewhere fast, it may lessen your chances of getting stopped and having to worry about interactions with LE.

Thank you for the response, it is appreciated.

And the thinly-veiled inclination that "getting somewhere fast" means I exceed posted speed laws, and not just avoid unnecessary delays (taking the route with the least traffic or stoplights, etc), is an ingrained analytical trait that let's me know I am getting advice from a genuine LEO.

Thanks again

[tgriffin]

So if I run you, two things are gonna pop up for sure based on what you’re saying: 1. That you are the protected party in protective order. 2. That you have registered firearms.

I’m going to check the names of everyone your with to make sure the restrained party isn’t among them, and I’m gonna bs with you about your guns a bit. Cuz I like guns. Then it will be have a nice day, warning on whatever brought us into contact.

[esy]

2nd what everyone else said. I didn't see this thread before.

Are you just referring to a regular contact or a contact as a result of a call for service/415/DV?

If the former, it'd be business as usual once I've figured out you're able to carry and haven't done anything wrong. If the latter, it depends.

[zfields]

Clets is relatively clear on who is protected party.


Well, as clear as clets can be.

[socom2shooter]

Its pretty clear who is protected and who is restrained. At least the way the super form is set up it is. I'm sure it's even easier if it goes through dispatch because they're computers are different since they should be full access users.