A question for LEO ONLY about concealed carry

[P5Ret]

Have License, registration, insurance and Permit in hand and ready before the officer gets to you. I keep my stuff up in the overhead container that usually houses glasses or a garage remote so I am not digging around for papers and a wallet, Hands are always at or above steering wheel from the moment I get pulled over. I Keep the wallet up there while driving as well since my DL is in it. I have everything I need to hand the officer in that pocket and nothing else, ready to go.

Hand the papers to the officer, put both hands on the top of your steering wheel and state. "Sir, I have to inform you, I have an active Concealed Carry permit and am currently carrying, how would you like me to proceed?" Then just follow his directions keeping your hands on the steering wheel.

Oh, one more note. Never use the word GUN. Do not say my Gun is on me, The Gun is.., etc. GUN is a trigger word for cops, and if he has a partner moving up to the passenger side of your vehicle while you are talking to the officer and you say the word GUN, That officer could make the mistake in thinking his partner said GUN and go into Oh Sht! Mode. Or he could only hear you say Gun and assume you are threatening his partner. Just don't say GUN.

I did, however, see a police officer asked about this once online, I do not remember what state he worked in, but someone asked him if a CCWP holder should Inform him on a stop or not.
He acted like he would be offended by someone telling him they have a CCW, He said, I would be thinking why the FK is this person telling me that? as if he felt that it was a threat. Must be one of those states where Informing is not required. But In California let them know at first contact. Or as soon as you can get the sentence in.

Tha is just what I was instructed to do.

So let me see if I have this straight? Reading this post http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1446017 that you updated on the 6/20, you don't even have a LTC, but you're offering advise on how someone should handle a traffic stop while carrying with no experience of your own to go by. What am I missing here?

OH wait someone instructed you on how to handle it, what is that persons background? Because once you start moving around in the car, any movement, it turns up the caution meter for me. Because all I can see from outside is you reaching into an overhead compartment.

[eta34]

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[code_blue]

That's probably because CCW instructors are notorious for spreading FUD. They fearmonger the heck out of their courses. Of course their quality of instruction is also pretty bad also.

Really, some of these people shouldn't be qualifying with their mentalities and lack of training or general firearms know-how. We're talking folks who are very likely to be imperfect self-defense or ND cases.

Still, everyone has a right to defend themselves. Whether or not they put themselves in bad situations is on them for believing the instructor's word as gospel and on the instructor for spreading FUD.

[yzErnie]

Have License, registration, insurance and Permit in hand and ready before the officer gets to you. I keep my stuff up in the overhead container that usually houses glasses or a garage remote so I am not digging around for papers and a wallet, Hands are always at or above steering wheel from the moment I get pulled over. I Keep the wallet up there while driving as well since my DL is in it. I have everything I need to hand the officer in that pocket and nothing else, ready to go.

Hand the papers to the officer, put both hands on the top of your steering wheel and state. "Sir, I have to inform you, I have an active Concealed Carry permit and am currently carrying, how would you like me to proceed?" Then just follow his directions keeping your hands on the steering wheel.

Oh, one more note. Never use the word GUN. Do not say my Gun is on me, The Gun is.., etc. GUN is a trigger word for cops, and if he has a partner moving up to the passenger side of your vehicle while you are talking to the officer and you say the word GUN, That officer could make the mistake in thinking his partner said GUN and go into Oh Sht! Mode. Or he could only hear you say Gun and assume you are threatening his partner. Just don't say GUN.

I did, however, see a police officer asked about this once online, I do not remember what state he worked in, but someone asked him if a CCWP holder should Inform him on a stop or not.
He acted like he would be offended by someone telling him they have a CCW, He said, I would be thinking why the FK is this person telling me that? as if he felt that it was a threat. Must be one of those states where Informing is not required. But In California let them know at first contact. Or as soon as you can get the sentence in.

Tha is just what I was instructed to do.

After that first sentence, I didn't even read anything else. WITHeck told you to do that?

[CaliforniaCowboy]

I asked a cop at the range, that is exactly what he told me to do and how to do it and what to say and not say.

[CinnamonBear723]

I asked a cop at the range, that is exactly what he told me to do and how to do it and what to say and not say.

I think the concern is that your information is coming from unverified sources as opposed to straight from the horses mouth. Also, the word gun is not a bad word and does not scare all of us.

I've been pulled over a few times by various agencies and I've used the word gun without negative reaction. I will agree that firearm is a better choice but the word gun really isn't that bad.

[tomrkba]

I just do what you said even though I am in a no notify state and they can see my permit on their computer. I just hand them the permit OVER the license so they see it first. I tell them I have the carry permit and ask what they want to do. Never had an issue.

[code_blue]

It should go without saying that every situation is different. There is no "best" method, but there are certainly safe and bad methods.

Really, roll down your windows, dome lights on if it's dark, hands on the steering wheel and wait for contact and instructions. If you want to shut off your engine, you can, but if the officer wanted you to (they normally would) they'll tell you.

Besides, if the officer is accompanied by an FTO, help him/her learn. You can't do ALL the work for him/her now.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I would avoid yelling "AM I BEING DETAINED??" as they approach your vehicle.

[jmatt511]

Windows rolled down, radio turned down/off, dome lights on (as applicable), hands on steering wheel.

A simple, "before I start reaching for anything, I am armed. I have a "insert favored phrase here for ltc/ccw, my firearm is located... How would you like me to proceed."

Doing this identifies that you are armed and have no intention of reaching for anything and allows the LEO to control the interaction to their satisfaction.

Dan

P.s. nothing is more terrible than something that happens due to lack of communication. Imagine reaching for your wallet/ID/ltc, having your shirt ride up and exposing a firearm somewhere near your hand and an over reaction occurring. From partner shouting out, "he's got a gun!"and finding a barrel screwed into the side of your head before you're able to explain or even worse?

Got it right the first time around. I do this every time (except the hands are through the steering wheel). Did this when I was on the job. do this now that I'm retired.

[RazoE]

.... I specifically remember an academy scenario (20 years ago) where the driver had a revolver hidden up there.

And I remember one where it was a water pistol filled with ice water. The shock of being shot in the face with it is a memory that is still with me 35 years later.

[chsk9]

In my state we get CCW/CHL info on our in state plate return. Open carry is legal, as is having a loaded firearm laying on your seat. What happens here would be a code 33 in other states, so when traveling to states with reciprocity put it with your license.