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[GizmoSD]

HR218 is identified by the retired credentials your agency provides. It has nothing to do with POST. Every year when you requalify on your anniversary your dept should be issuing you a new ID card that states you are honorably retired and HR218 qualified, accompanied by an expiration date one year from your renewal.

[SVT-40]

Most every state is different.

I'm retired from a California agency and I live in Arizona.

Arizona has a program through the Department Of Public Safety where they qualify retired LEO's who RESIDE in Arizona and issue them LEOSA qualification credentials.

https://www.azdps.gov/services/public/cwp

That saves me having to yearly travel to California and qualify with my agency.

[GizmoSD]

[74c5]

18 USC 926c is your friend. I'm retired Cali and now in Utah. The UHP offers once a year credential IF you have a retired credential. The LEOSA qual is yearly.
There is no law for how frequently a retired Dept credential MUST be issued. I also avoided having to go back to Cali for my five year requal by finding a local NRA rangemaster.
Check first with your local sheriff and, failing that, check with a POST or NRA instructor. I thought the language in the USC is that a local Sheriff is supposed to do it. If you are near Sacto, Virtual Safe Shot has a range master that does LEOSA quals. I think they're still in business.

[003]

As a retired Ca LEO my Department issues me a retired ID card that authorizes me to carry under California law. This ID card must be renewed every 5 years per State law.

Additionally, my department allows retirees to shoot annually and issues a separate LEOSA 218 card which indicates the qualification date. This annual qualification meets the requirements for nationwide carry under LEOSA.

While some departments may issues a new ID card on an annual basis, that is not necessary.

The only requirements under LEOSA is that the retiree carry an ID card issued by their department which indicates he meets the requirements of LEOSA. The annual qualification certificate can be issued by either a Ca LE agency or an individual that meets the LEOSA requirements to qualify retirees.

While there may well be some small number of officers that are not up to speed on LEOSA, it is my experience that the majority of California LEOs are aware of HR 218/LEOSA, and understand the legal authority for out of state LEOs to carry a weapon in California. I don't see any issues for you as long as you have the required identification from your department and are current with your annual qualification.

[LHC30]

Hope this is not too off topic, but what is the deal with having to possess a CCA in addition to HR218 creds?

[RickD427]

Hope this is not too off topic, but what is the deal with having to possess a CCA in addition to HR218 creds?

What are your referring to by the acronym "CCA"?

Once we figure out what a "CCA" is, what makes you think that one is required into addition to your Retired ID Card.

Please refer to the post by GizmoSD for a description of the two possible ID configurations that are required for lawful carry under LEOSA.

[LHC30]

OOPS, typed and bailed too fast..

Meant to read "CCW." per our range guys (I wasn't listening to well) they said something about our creds not being compliant unless they have a CCW to go with it...

Never heard of that before...If I learn more, Ill let ya'll know what they're talking about.

[RickD427]

OOPS, typed and bailed too fast..

Meant to read "CCW." per our range guys (I wasn't listening to well) they said something about our creds not being compliant unless they have a CCW to go with it...

Never heard of that before...If I learn more, Ill let ya'll know what they're talking about.

OK, Thanks for the update, now I understand better.

There is no need whatsoever for a separate state-issued CCW permit. The LEOSA provides the same carry authority (and actually a broader carry authority in many cases).

There may some advantage to a local CCW. In Washington, the possession of a state CCW exempts a firearms purchaser from the state law waiting period on a handgun, and also provides a state carry authority if I ever let the one-year qual period elapse.

[whatevs09]

you should keep a local CCW also with the LEOSA, because most state laws have not been updated to recognize the LEOSA credential.

[RickD427]

you should keep a local CCW also with the LEOSA, because most state laws have not been updated to recognize the LEOSA credential.

There is no need for any state law to be "updated to recognize the LEOSA credential."

The federal statute supercedes any state law that may conflict with it. That was the whole purpose behind HR218. Congress did all of the "updating" that was necessary

[Ron-Solo]

As a retired Ca LEO my Department issues me a retired ID card that authorizes me to carry under California law. This ID card must be renewed every 5 years per State law.

Additionally, my department allows retirees to shoot annually and issues a separate LEOSA 218 card which indicates the qualification date. This annual qualification meets the requirements for nationwide carry under LEOSA.

While some departments may issues a new ID card on an annual basis, that is not necessary.

The only requirements under LEOSA is that the retiree carry an ID card issued by their department which indicates he meets the requirements of LEOSA. The annual qualification certificate can be issued by either a Ca LE agency or an individual that meets the LEOSA requirements to qualify retirees.

While there may well be some small number of officers that are not up to speed on LEOSA, it is my experience that the majority of California LEOs are aware of HR 218/LEOSA, and understand the legal authority for out of state LEOs to carry a weapon in California. I don't see any issues for you as long as you have the required identification from your department and are current with your annual qualification.

My department, LASD, is the same as this. Your retired credential with ccw endorsement must be renewed every 5 years for California carry purposes. A separate card is issued for HR218 purposes and is good for 1 year from the date of qualification. It is only valid in conjunction with the department ID that bears your photo and identifying information. The HR218 card only has your name, employee number, qualification date, and range instructor’s name and signature.

I think most agencies are up to speed on LEOSA finally. New York and New Jersey agencies got spanked a few times with lawsuits before they came around. Hawaii seems to have come on board finally.

LEOSA needs another update to address magazine capacity similar to the updates for hollow point ammunition. New Jersey was sweating guys over Department issued JHP ammo.

[whatevs09]

RickD, you need to read CA PC 25650 and PC 626.9 (0)(2). You will see that the LEOSA credential is NOT mentioned in either statue. Also, read 18 USC 926C(b)(2), LEOSA does not supersede state laws that prohibit or restrict firarms on state or local gov't property". So at least in CA, a locally issued CCW is the ONLY way one can carry on school properties. Learn the laws so you don't find yourself in hot water.

[esy]

RickD, you need to read CA PC 25650 and PC 626.9 (0)(2). You will see that the LEOSA credential is NOT mentioned in either statue. Also, read 18 USC 926C(b)(2), LEOSA does not supersede state laws that prohibit or restrict firarms on state or local gov't property". So at least in CA, a locally issued CCW is the ONLY way one can carry on school properties. Learn the laws so you don't find yourself in hot water.

Sir, I recommend you learn the laws.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/leosiss.pdf

Specifically answers to questions 1 and 4.