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  • steve95762
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2017
    • 39

    Whats the number of off roster guns can LEO sell

    Does anyone know how many off roster guns we can sell in a year? Thank you
  • #2
    M1NM
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2011
    • 7966

    5 transactions per year. I don't see a LEO out to become anymore of a dealer than the average joe. This may be less depending on your department.

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    • #3
      edgerly779
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Aug 2009
      • 19871

      Unless your Pasadena pd then dealer. Beware of selling to many already busts for this.

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      • #4
        LowThudd
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3608

        Yea, probably just a few less than this guy. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...501-story.html

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        • #5
          CSACANNONEER
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          • Dec 2006
          • 44092

          For California, you'll be safe with 5 transactions per year. It doesn't make a difference if they are on on roster, off roster or roster exempt. Multiple guns can be sold in each transaction. Now, if you want to consider Federal law, I would be very weary of a pattern of buying off roster handguns and flipping them. Even one transaction could be viewed as a straw purchase if the finally purchaser could not have purchased it new if they can prove it was the intent to sell it to a person who could not have purchased it. Also, ATF may take the position that a CA LEO (or anyone else) who is buying a firearm with the intent on selling it for a profit, needs a FFL period. Now, about that Ruger......are you planning on travelling anywhere near Ventura/LA anytime soon????
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          • #6
            steve95762
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2017
            • 39

            Thank you

            No plans on heading south anytime soon

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            • #7
              Tiberius
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2009
              • 1160

              I think you're getting the answer to a different question than the one you're asking. California limits the number of transactions - for everyone. But if a LEO buys 4 off-roster guns each year, and immediately flips those for a big mark-up (as is totally possible) my understanding is that this could attract unwanted "attention." Tho I'm not sure it's technically illegal. I suppose it could be a "straw man" violation, on the theory that the off-roster guns weren't really for the LEO but were bought for re-sale.

              Some LEOs got in trouble a few years back for this - I think someone may have posted the link. Or will.

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              • #8
                pacrat
                I need a LIFE!!
                • May 2014
                • 10258

                Originally posted by Tiberius
                I think you're getting the answer to a different question than the one you're asking. California limits the number of transactions - for everyone. But if a LEO buys 4 off-roster guns each year, and immediately flips those for a big mark-up (as is totally possible) my understanding is that this could attract unwanted "attention." Tho I'm not sure it's technically illegal. I suppose it could be a "straw man" violation, on the theory that the off-roster guns weren't really for the LEO but were bought for re-sale.

                Some LEOs got in trouble a few years back for this - I think someone may have posted the link. Or will.
                As to the underlined,

                Buying with the intention of a "future" sale. Is not classified as a "strawman" purchase. Unless the future buyer is part of the agreed upon transaction. Before the purchase.

                This guy is in extremely hot water with his Dept. and the Feds. For "dealing without a license".

                Federal agents seized about five dozen firearms worth tens of thousands of dollars from a high-ranking Pasadena police officer during a raid this year, according to newly released government records.

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