how does ICE or LEOs go about figuring someone is an Illegal Alien from "scratch"?

[DEFCON ZERO]

Given all the Probable Cause stuff, unless someone confesses, how does ICE go from seeing a person to "breaking the ice"(pun intended) and determining they are in fact an Illegal Alien?

Especially once away from actual border.

Does ICE not need any P-Cause because they aren't charging people with actual crimes for the most part?

If an Illegal stonewalls and dummies up does that tend to shut down ICE's efforts to ID them as Illegal or even non-citizen?

Or do they mostly not do that and its only after something else happens and the subject is ensnared in The System does ICE nab someone as an Illegal Alien?

IIRC there is some "report Illegal Aliens to ICE" but wouldn't they ask you "why do you say they are Illegal?" and expect some real proof?

I remember the time I reported some people smoking meth in their car outside my biz and dispatch seemed to want a lab report from me to know its meth.

[Shadowdrop]

You seem to think there are ICE agents stopping people randomly on the street and deporting them. This does not happen. If people are arrested for street charges, their fingerprints are taken and checked through the state/national databases.

If someone were to call and report, say, an employer with illegal alien employees, ICE has access to their tax reporting records. They should have SSN's on file for supposed employees and they can find out if they are stolen SSNs or dead people or whatever.

Basically, it's called investigating. It's what police and federal agencies do. As far as you calling in people smoking meth, dispatch is trying to figure out if you can see and identify a meth pipe or if you are one of the weirdos that calls them and reports things they don't see OR if you are one of the people who make stuff up thinking it'll get a better police response. Those things happen all the time.

[hermosabeach]

Have you heard of E verify for employers?

With a name and address it is easy to get the Social Security #.

If social is a true social, then they are 99+% legal.

If no social security # is found or iris found to be a TIN, then most likely not legal.


Could the Feds run the info on every incarcerated person to determine their legal status within 24 hours... probably.

Have all transferred from state and county prisons / jails to a federal immigration detention center... sure.....

[CinnamonBear723]

OP, your question(s) have a lot of moving parts to it. What exactly are you trying to figure out?

[Rogue187]

OP.. some of the stuff your asking for is a violation of OPSEC.. so unless your LE it's really done Oompa Loompas..


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[DEFCON ZERO]

OP, your question(s) have a lot of moving parts to it. What exactly are you trying to figure out?

got a large and increasingly aggressive "homeless" encampment causing havoc. cutting fences, stealing water and leaving it running, breaking windows in buildings and cars, scaring people, etc

have been cleared out 3x with dozers, yet they come right back bolder than ever.

its on some City/State/Railroad/PG&E no-man's land, and everyone including local PD is sorta "nothing much we can do until without proof they have committed a major crime"

'talking to them' not really an option since I've never heard a word of English.

I don't "know" they are "undocumented", but I sure suspect it.

Any Magic Words I should use if I call ICE, and would calling ICE be appropriate?

[pacrat]

Have you heard of E verify for employers?

With a name and address it is easy to get the Social Security #.

If social is a true social, then they are 99+% legal.

If no social security # is found or iris found to be a TIN, then most likely not legal.


Could the Feds run the info on every incarcerated person to determine their legal status within 24 hours... probably.

Have all transferred from state and county prisons / jails to a federal immigration detention center... sure.....

From a quick Google search to refresh memory

Most California employers are not required to use E-Verify. In 2012, it became unlawful in California for the state or a city, county, or special district to require an employer to use an electronic employment verification system, such as E-Verify. However, some California employers, such as those performing work under a federal contract, may be required by federal law to use E-Verify.

[hey_scooter]

I will attempt to sum this up as quick as I can, anyone can feel free to fill in blanks or refute:

Yes, Title 8/INA inspecting officers can question someone's status in the U.S. if that officer is lawfully present and has reasonable suspicion to do so.

No, it's unlikely this means ICE is going to come around and do just that.

[DEFCON ZERO]

Yes, Title 8/INA inspecting officers can question someone's status in the U.S. if that officer is lawfully present and has reasonable suspicion to do so.

question as in-Until the officer is satified with answers, or Until the subject refuses to answer anymore questions?

[blackberg]

This and a magic 8 ball, along with a secret decoder ring.

-bb

[CinnamonBear723]

got a large and increasingly aggressive "homeless" encampment causing havoc. cutting fences, stealing water and leaving it running, breaking windows in buildings and cars, scaring people, etc

have been cleared out 3x with dozers, yet they come right back bolder than ever.

its on some City/State/Railroad/PG&E no-man's land, and everyone including local PD is sorta "nothing much we can do until without proof they have committed a major crime"

'talking to them' not really an option since I've never heard a word of English.

I don't "know" they are "undocumented", but I sure suspect it.

Any Magic Words I should use if I call ICE, and would calling ICE be appropriate?

This is the state of affairs in general in california. Encourage your neighbors to vote correctly. Trust me when i tell you we all wish we could help. We try and try, and fight and fight, but the laws in this state are pretty much pointless. You need to get more voters to keep those filthy creatures in jail.

ICE cannot solve all the issues either. Our state just sucks.

[TRICKSTER]

got a large and increasingly aggressive "homeless" encampment causing havoc. cutting fences, stealing water and leaving it running, breaking windows in buildings and cars, scaring people, etc

have been cleared out 3x with dozers, yet they come right back bolder than ever.

its on some City/State/Railroad/PG&E no-man's land, and everyone including local PD is sorta "nothing much we can do until without proof they have committed a major crime"

'talking to them' not really an option since I've never heard a word of English.

I don't "know" they are "undocumented", but I sure suspect it.

Any Magic Words I should use if I call ICE, and would calling ICE be appropriate?

Get a Bullhorn or PA system. From a concealed location shout "la migra, la migra". If they take off running, they are probably illegal. If you are feeling really mean, do it at 2 or 3 AM.

[johnthomas]

There luggage?

[hey_scooter]

question as in-Until the officer is satified with answers, or Until the subject refuses to answer anymore questions?

I can't tell if you're legitimately asking me or if this is some sort of weirdo ploy for me to tell you that immigration officers harass people.

[LuckyGuy]

Given all the Probable Cause stuff, unless someone confesses, how does ICE go from seeing a person to "breaking the ice"(pun intended) and determining they are in fact an Illegal Alien?

Especially once away from actual border.

Does ICE not need any P-Cause because they aren't charging people with actual crimes for the most part?

If an Illegal stonewalls and dummies up does that tend to shut down ICE's efforts to ID them as Illegal or even non-citizen?

Or do they mostly not do that and its only after something else happens and the subject is ensnared in The System does ICE nab someone as an Illegal Alien?

IIRC there is some "report Illegal Aliens to ICE" but wouldn't they ask you "why do you say they are Illegal?" and expect some real proof?

I remember the time I reported some people smoking meth in their car outside my biz and dispatch seemed to want a lab report from me to know its meth.

You do not need to know that info. Let them worry about that. This is a gun site, do not ask here.