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  • 70runner
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2013
    • 799

    Opinion on car purchase scam?

    A few weeks ago I bought used car from PP in Oceanside for #1 son to use for work. On Craigslist seller stated clear title, owned for 5yrs. We agreed to meet. Seller introduced himself as "Logan", had title, signed on release line but not dated, with no Release of Liability attachment, and address in Norcal. Asked about title, he said recent purchase fell through. Asked about address, he said just moved. Odd, but car was cheap, in decent condition, and son needed a ride. I asked "Logan" to complete title info, mileage info. He complied, signed & printed name. We parted ways but not before I took a covert snapshot of license plate on vehicle he left in.

    Arrive AAA for transfer paperwork, they said there was "a release of liability lock" on DMV records, not registered owner, and could not process title. Subsequent calls/texts to "Logan" went unanswered.

    Researched title info, found number, called, asked for Logan. Logan's mom was very helpful, said she wasn't currently living there but would contact her to call me. The real Logan called and said she had sold the car to "Steve" a few days earlier in Oceanside and gave me the address. She said Steve had asked her not to date title, he would do it later. She reluctantly agreed.

    Contacted Oceanside PD and explained above. They referred me to San Diego Sheriff (I'm in Fallbrook). Deputy arrived and politely listened. He stated there wasn't enough to investigate criminal action, mostly because title was not properly completed during earlier transaction. I asked about "Steve" or whoever it was impersonating Logan, told him I had "Steve's" address in Oceanside and vehicle plate pic. He wasn't interested in following that up, said it was a civil matter.

    Eventually worked things out with DMV (long story itself) and realize this isn't ten most wanted list material, but seems like LE should have been interested in Steve.?.
  • #2
    vintagearms
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2009
    • 6841

    Too much paperwork and with Prop 47 it wouldn't go anywhere.

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    • #3
      H8Mud
      Member
      • Nov 2007
      • 462

      No danger to one's well being, it's a civil matter for courts.
      "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six"

      Originally posted by Manofmayhem
      Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

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      • #4
        edgerly779
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Aug 2009
        • 19871

        I just had similar problem got paperwork signed by ex wife dmv transfer. Found out title clouded by lien and she never finished transfer to her. I had to lien sale and smog and pay 524 in back registration and penalties. Now filing suit also I lft in underground parking and went to pick up and radio gone. He commented he put new stereo in while discussing buying. He is a thief as well..I found out he was arrested in a sting for contracting without a license. I just got it smogged and now can get title and tags. 65 day process.
        Last edited by edgerly779; 07-12-2017, 4:07 PM.

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        • #5
          rcslotcar
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2014
          • 1100

          "Eventually worked things out with DMV (long story itself) and realize this isn't ten most wanted list material, but seems like LE should have been interested in Steve.?." How did you work out the DMV problem?

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          • #6
            leman77
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 1168

            DMV has their own investigators (police). The locals don't have time for this. Glad to hear you got everything worked out.

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            • #7
              Tallship
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 609

              I was going to say this was a matter for the DMV Police. DMV Police you say???
              A few years ago I was working a POST firearm instructor course and saw a badge I didn't recognize. Asked the guy who he worked for and he said DMV Police. OK....
              "We got too many gangsters doin' dirty deeds, too much corruption and crime in the streets. It's time the long arm of the law put a few more in the ground...."

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              • #8
                SkyHawk
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Sep 2012
                • 23528

                Sounds like the guy wanted to flip the car without being on record in any transfers. So the crime, besides impersonating someone (identify theft or improper use of another's identity) could be unlicensed car dealer? Anyhow, refer to DMV investigator. If the person makes a habit of this the DMV might get interested.
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                • #9
                  autopro
                  Member
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 251

                  Happens every day it's known as title jumping. Steve is avoiding paying use tax, transfer fees, smog check and insurance to register in his name and sell legitimately.

                  Let me guess the transaction took place at a neutral location? 1st red flag, 2nd flag is the missing/goofy paperwork. Always require ID from the person you are buying from it needs to match the title no if's and's or but's, no stories, no excuses whatsoever.

                  I buy a lot of cars off Craigslist and have become very astute at spotting guys like Steve.

                  Steve is likely an unlicensed dealer/flipper. You should file a complaint at a DMV that has a Investigators office in it, not all DMVs do. Unlicensed dealers are their meat and potatoes and yes they are LE.

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                  • #10
                    edgerly779
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 19871

                    I got tags at dmv today and am lucky I paid the 524 fees on 7/13 they mad a mistake and the fees are $788 and they waived the difference today. Worker at dmv office in winnetka put wrong code and my address wrong in system put her own address. All square now. Now to file aqainst seller.

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                    • #11
                      70runner
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2013
                      • 799

                      Originally posted by rcslotcar
                      "Eventually worked things out with DMV (long story itself) and realize this isn't ten most wanted list material, but seems like LE should have been interested in Steve.?." How did you work out the DMV problem?
                      Over course of 2 DMV visits, I discussed/prepared/submitted several DMV form statements regarding the transaction including references to Oceanside PD and SD Sheriff contact (impt). They require proof of a good faith effort to contact selling party. Had to meet with a "DMV Investigator" on 2nd visit to validate my ID/DL. Third DMV visit I provided all the accumulated forms, along with yet another verbal rendition of the story, to a "DMV Arbitrator" who removed the DMV title block and registered the car.

                      Originally posted by autopro
                      Happens every day it's known as title jumping. Steve is avoiding paying use tax, transfer fees, smog check and insurance to register in his name and sell legitimately.

                      Let me guess the transaction took place at a neutral location? 1st red flag, 2nd flag is the missing/goofy paperwork. Always require ID from the person you are buying from it needs to match the title no if's and's or but's, no stories, no excuses whatsoever.

                      I buy a lot of cars off Craigslist and have become very astute at spotting guys like Steve.

                      Steve is likely an unlicensed dealer/flipper. You should file a complaint at a DMV that has a Investigators office in it, not all DMVs do. Unlicensed dealers are their meat and potatoes and yes they are LE.
                      Pretty much. 50/50 hindsight (my first craigslist car deal) was not asking for an ID. Deputy said same thing. Seemed like a decent fellow, had his wife and a couple kids in the other car. Live and learn. Neutral location, yes, but didn't seem like a red flag to me. I've done other craigslist transactions, buyer and seller, at neutral-public locations. Prefer it this way.

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                      • #12
                        sfe187
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2016
                        • 1770

                        Yes total flipper in action. Glad at least it worked out at the end ok.

                        Next time, very first thing is ask if the title's name matches the seller's name. I take it to the next level and require both parties be present at either DMV or AAA and complete the registration/title transaction, this way both parties are CLEARD. Also you be surprised that many has unpaid parking tickets attached to the car and when the new owner goes to register, surprised!!

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