Patrol rifle ACOGS. Help needed

[bobboberson]

My department has approved ACOGS to be added to our ARs (only approved optic) and I am trying to figure out which one I want. Per policy it must be mounted on top of the carry handle and leave the iron sights visible. It must be 1.5X, 2X, 3X, or 4X. I was thinking one of the 1.5X or 2X models. Any thoughts or recommendations?

Also, I'm thinking about writing a position paper to get 2 point slings approved. Right now we are required to use 3 point slings. If you have any arguments that I could use, I would love to hear them.

[1911su16b870]

FWIW the Aimpoint Patrol red dot optic with iron sights is a good way to go. You can add a magnifier if you want that 3x ability. The co-witnessed irons to the red dot gives you instant verification that your poa=poi on your optic for the yardage battle zero you are using. I like the 50 yard battle zero as that gives a good 50 to 200 yard poa/poi hits.

[bobboberson]

I agree, but department policy says that we can only use ACOGS mounted to the carry handle. It does not specify what model. Aimpoint or any other optic is a no go.

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

My department has approved ACOGS to be added to our ARs (only approved optic) and I am trying to figure out which one I want. Per policy it must be mounted on top of the carry handle and leave the iron sights visible. It must be 1.5X, 2X, 3X, or 4X. I was thinking one of the 1.5X or 2X models. Any thoughts or recommendations?

Also, I'm thinking about writing a position paper to get 2 point slings approved. Right now we are required to use 3 point slings. If you have any arguments that I could use, I would love to hear them.

I'm kind of not sure if you are serious based on the info you have provided about your rifle policy. If your user name was Bob Loblaw I wouldn't even respond. Having said that, here are my thoughts:


ACOG, carry handle, 3-point sling...your rifle policy is stuck at least a decade behind the current preferred equipment options.

If you are a writing a position paper to address the sling issue might as well address the optic and carry handle issues.

The ACOG is less than ideal because it is a fixed power magnified optic. This magnification is actually detrimental in many LE field situations I've encountered with a rifle where no magnification was needed. A much better option (both practically speaking and in common use in the tactical shooting world) would be a quality red dot with a magnifier or a quality variable powered 1-4 optic. These options will allow you to use magnification as needed.

The 3-point sling is only good for having the rifle hang in front of you while also interfering with the controls on the left side of the rifle. Adjustable 2-point slings are versatile for a variety of carry positions, can aid in stabilizing your rifle while shooting, and can be worn around the neck for easy shoulder transitions.

There is a reason AR's aren't sold with carry handles anymore. There are much better options for mounting an optic with less height over bore issues and that also allow for a better cheek weld. Back up iron sights are a much better option.

[xsefan]

How is the eye releaf? That's up really high! Your proposal should be for a flat top and a fix rear to co witness or a pop up sight. Arms number 40 is way overkill. Remind them you won't be shooting out to 500 yds you won't need elevation adjustment in an urban shooting. I would also recommend the meprolight rds over the eotech. It's longer battery life less bussy real world adjustments. Can take a beating.
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[bobboberson]

I wish I was trolling you guys with a fake rifle policy, but I'm not. the amazing thing is we already have flat tops (Colt LE 6920) and we have to add detectable carry handles. I was talking to one of our armorers and when we get a new rifle they have to remove the flip up sights and throw them away.

Our rifle policy was written when we first got rifles, in response to 9/11. The only update was to allow ACOGS.

I have shot a couple rifles with the ACOG on the carry handle. it is high, more of a chin weld than a cheek weld.

[1911su16b870]

Colt 6920s with added carry handles/sight and mounting the ACOG to the top of the carry handle...




ETA: I want to be the armorers trash can if perfectly good MA-Techs are being tossed in it!

[1911su16b870]

This is a 6920 with carry handle and red dot.

[seal20]

Get an ACOG with a RMR mounted on top. Ya it will be high, but it's the best of both worlds. The magnification, ranging ability and robust nature of the ACOG is ideal for LE. If I were you I would choose TA31F-RMR.

[tnlrat37]

I had one of the first prototype ACOG's (TAO1 I think) used in service back in 95 when I was a Designated Marksman in the Corps in Somalia. No one really knew much about them back then, they just picked 2 of us and gave them to us and said figure it out. I was using an M16a2 so it had the carry handle. While it was a great optic the "chin weld" really sucked and was hard to get used to. Be sure you learn to shoot with both eyes open.

It's a shame and stupid that they won't let you run a flat top. I have a ta-33 on my flat top AR and love it. For your application I would go with the lower magnification 1.5 or 2 like your thinking. Eye relief can get tricky with the 4x and realistically your encounters will most likely be under 100 yds so it's not really needed anyway. It's far from ideal doing cqb/room clearing with 4x.

One other question are you running with FSB's or flip up fronts?

[bobboberson]

It's nice to see that you guys think that policy is as dumb as I do. Right now I'm thinking the ta44.

[GizmoSD]

Remind them that as a general rule of thumb, cops perform poorly at math and puzzles.

Then explain the hold points for an optic mounted that high above the bore axis. Clarify by also showing them how stupid-simple hold points are for a optic mounted on a flat top upper. It's +/-4" all the way out to ~250 with a 50yd zero.

Throw the "liability" bomb at them and hope it flies!

[bobboberson]

That's a great idea. I'll try to make that argument.

[rkt88edmo]

Per policy it must be mounted on top of the carry handle and leave the iron sights visible.

Tell them congratulations and welcome to the year 2000.

Can you just use a forward mounted red dot? better than a carry handle mounted anything.

[mixicus]

Sticking to your limitations...go with a low power (1.5 or 2x).

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