Wrist watch calibration required?

[SkyHawk]

If it has COSC cert good luck

COSC really only speaks to precision. It still has to be set manually. And since COSC allows for a drift of +6 seconds per day, every ten days it could be another minute ahead. Unless the watch also has atomic synch, COSC doesn't mean much in this context. The question will be how often was the watch set and what time source was it set against.

But the watch is of no import, as discussed above - the radio logs will be the proverbial nail in the coffin for one party or the other.

[pacrat]

Stop breaking the law? Pay attention to your driving? Take responsibility for your actions?

All novel concepts.

And that is the issue with 'Common Sense" in today's world.

It's just so darned "Uncommon".

[Rogue187]

The stupid is strong in this thread.. OP you got busted doing something you shouldn't have been.
Just take your ticket and pay the fine..
Your going to look like a buffoon for wasting the time of the court.

[Country_Jim]

The OP went full retard.

[ls2monaro]

I say take it to trial... and if you're local, I'll even buy you a beer afterwards (assuming you are even over 21?) so I can come watch the show.

[koiloco]

I can't wait for someone to try and "seize" my watch while I ask them to sign here...

+1



Just epic, isn't it?

[Mralejandro]

Thanks for all the advice. I will pay the fine and request court trial. I will subpoena body cam, recordings, dash cam and hopefully find out if there was a call from LEO to station to check my plates or license. I saw him standing near my vehicle and he never left anywhere, Im assuming he didnt, but you never know.

I dont think I will be wasting the courts time, the judge has to be 100% positive the I commit this infraction at the time it was written, if it cant be proven beyond reasonable doubt, then it should be dismissed.

Worst case scenario I lose and my payment goes towards the infraction and case closed.

I wonder if I can still ask for traffic school if I'm found guilty?

[Samuelx]

Stop breaking the law? Pay attention to your driving? Take responsibility for your actions?

All novel concepts.

Yup... SMFH...

[P5Ret]

Thanks for all the advice. I will pay the fine and request court trial. I will subpoena body cam, recordings, dash cam and hopefully find out if there was a call from LEO to station to check my plates or license. I saw him standing near my vehicle and he never left anywhere, Im assuming he didnt, but you never know.

I dont think I will be wasting the courts time, the judge has to be 100% positive the I commit this infraction at the time it was written, if it cant be proven beyond reasonable doubt, then it should be dismissed.

Worst case scenario I lose and my payment goes towards the infraction and case closed.

I wonder if I can still ask for traffic school if I'm found guilty?

Beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard for court, not 100% positive. If all your going in with is you think his watch was wrong it might not turn out so well for you. Because your watch, or the clock on your dash are just as likely to be wrong as his is, it is a two way street.

[Che762x39]

... I wonder if I can still ask for traffic school if I'm found guilty?

[CBR_rider]

Beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard for court, not 100% positive. If all your going in with is you think his watch was wrong it might not turn out so well for you. Because your watch, or the clock on your dash are just as likely to be wrong as his is, it is a two way street.

Affirmative. And exactly how close to "the line" was this ticket anyway?

[SVT-40]

I dont think I will be wasting the courts time, the judge has to be 100% positive the I commit this infraction at the time it was written, if it cant be proven beyond reasonable doubt, then it should be dismissed.

Actually the violation occurred before the time the Officer wrote you the citation. Usually I listed the time of the violation, which was always minutes before, I was writing the citation. Sometimes many minutes before.

LOL on the "reasonable doubt"...

Whats "unreasonable" about the time the officer listed on the citation???

[P5Ret]

Might sound like a dumb questions, but I recently received a citation turning left during a time I shouldn't have.

I will try to fight it in court and the only defense I can come up with is the calibrations. For lasers/radar they have to be recently calibrated in order to be used as evidence. What about a wrist watch?

The LEO that issued me a citation only used his wristwatch to determine the time. If I can get the time dismissed from evidence, I think I can win the case.

My wife says either I'm a genius or will go to jail for contempt of court.

I would like some thoughts from LEOs here and see what they think or if they ever heard of this type of strategy.

Thanks

I'm curious how do you know he only used his watch for the time? Unless he was standing on the corner as you were making the turn how do you know?

[Mralejandro]

I'm curious how do you know he only used his watch for the time? Unless he was standing on the corner as you were making the turn how do you know?

I made the turn and noticed that the Leo was already in process of writing someone else a citation. He waived me to pull over and asked to wait until he was finished. When it was my turn he approached and politely explained that there were 3 signs that indicated that turning between this time is illegal. He then requested my license and insurance and walked across the street.

He never entered his vehicle and his partner was writing a citation for the car behind me. I did not notice he called anywhere and I also did not notice him using his cellphone. Im assuming the only item used to determine the time was his wrist watch.

The whole point of my original questions was that If I got caught speeding, and Leo used a laser/radar to track my speed, the certification or calibration of the radar/laser would be the make it or break it point of the entire case. I assumed the same is done with wrist watches. So many possible things could of happen that morning, his watch battery started to die, he hit his watch against the tree by accident and the watch jumped an hour, forgot the daylight savings on/off, i can come up with 100 more possible issues.

Since making the turn is not the illegal part, its making the turn during and illegal timeframe that's the illegal part. If I can get the watch dismissed as evidence the ticket will be dismissed as well.

Do you guys really think I shouldnt fight this and that I will look stupid in court?

[IrishJoe3]

I say go for it, judges need a good laugh too.