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  • RamathornStache
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2016
    • 1

    Disqualification or Non-Selection in the App Process

    Salutations, LEOs and good people of Calguns. The question I have, I am sure is one often repeated. Why, why was I not invited to move forward in the application process? I'll provide any personal details that may hopefully allow for some insight. Today was the fourth time in a row that I hit a brick wall during the process (It is my understanding that the terminology, disqualified or non-selected, are two different circumstances; if that is not the case, please explain). But today marks the fourth attempt, and it seems that there is a hint that I am missing; stop applying. The first and second attempts (2013 and 2015) saw my non-selection with the SDPD. The third attempt and non-selection (2016) was with Escondido PD. Today (4/7/2016) was the fourth with the San Diego County Sheriff's Department. The email said "disqualified" though. Again, not positive what the differences are exactly (if any), so I am seeking clarification in this as well.

    I'll try to keep the story as brief as possible from here on out. Each and every application gets filled out just the same. The process runs smoothly up until the PIQ. Keeping my integrity intact, this is also filled out the exact same every time. It is always filled out to the absolute best of my knowledge and ability. I would rather not gain employment for being honest than to get hired because of dishonesty; lying, omitting information, bending the truth, etc. Here are the details in the PIQ that I disclose that I assume get me the results I have been receiving; marijuana usage, alcohol consumption, and misdemeanors (I'll provide ages). The marijuana usage occurred over the period of two years up until I was 20 (I'm currently 29). It was pretty infrequent, guessing about every month or every other month. I was arrested for possession at the age of 20 (hence the quitting), and to this day I avoid it like the plague. However, the big however, upon discharge (2011) from the military through the med boards, and returning home...there was one usage at my welcome home party. I relay that it was an honest mistake, and severely out of character. I had no direction of where I was going in life after getting out. I figured that one hit wouldn't kill me, and I instantly regretted it. That wasn't me or what I was about. I think it is that lapse in morals that the B.I.s look at. Second, is alcohol usage. It has not really been a problem in my life whatsoever. I have no DUIs, no misconduct involving alcohol (except for an "Unlawful Consumption of Alcohol by Minor" charge at the age of 20). But the thing is, I drink routinely. Again, I don't cause any problems, and I'm responsible enough to hand off my keys or call Uber/Lyft. Lastly, the arrests and misdemeanor charges. These all occurred before joining the Marine Corps at the age of 23. Retail theft (17), Possession of Cannabis (20), Criminal Trespassing (20), and Unlawful Consumption of Alcohol by Minor (20, same incident as the trespassing). Now, I know that on paper, I probably look like a scumbag. That's not the case though. I was hardheaded in my adolescence and early, early adulthood. I didn't really get a sense of direction or purpose until military service. I would have stayed in had I not been discharged (Honorably) through the med boards. I received no disciplinary action during service, and I was strictly by the book.

    I totally understand that during these processes, they are looking for the best of candidates. And I understand that there are plenty of people who look better than myself on paper. The PIQ doesn't really give me an opportunity to show the true growth and progression I have experienced. Each attempt and failure is disheartening, but it does not deter me from trying again. Right now though, since this is the same day as the recent attempt, I find myself asking, "am I wasting time, my own time as well as the law enforcement agencies' for which I apply?" Again, I am simply seeking clarity on whether or not I should keep at it. I have zero intention of altering any future responses in the PIQ, that could and would never sit right with me. Should I continue? This is truly what I want. I have a sense of duty for which I seek fulfillment, and I know this field is for me if given the opportunity. I'm moving to Georgia to transfer schools in August to complete my bachelor's degree, but I'll still be shooting apps over to Southern California. If you require any additional information, I am open to anything. I will not hesitate to provide extra details.

    Safe travels to you all,
    R.S.
    Last edited by RamathornStache; 04-07-2016, 9:06 PM.
  • #2
    micro911
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 2346

    When they determine that the violations are moral or ethical in nature, they will disqualify the candidate. I don't know what they see in your package.

    When I applied for my agency in 1985, a person with one experimental joint at high school was disqualified.

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    • #3
      Ron-Solo
      In Memoriam
      • Jan 2009
      • 8581

      Keep at it. There doesn't seem to be anything listed that would DQ you. You are right in your interpretation that a "non selection" is different than a "disqualification" or DQ.

      Non selection can occur when the agency has a large number of candidates and has to thin the herd. When I was applying many years ago, hiring was very competitive because she everything had been frozen by Prop 13 budget cuts. I took a test for a local PD that had 2500 applicants for 2 positions. I made it past the written test and oral interview, but did not make the final list. I took the same test, with the same interview board for a neighboring PD with over 3000 applicants. I made the final "Top 25" list for 1 opening, with the possibility of a second spot. I did not get hired by them. I was on six different "eligibility lists" before I was hired by LASD. It was an 18 month process from when I turned in my application until I was sworn in.

      Be patient, keep trying, be 100% honest. Expand your area of interest. My son in law was rejected by Riverside County because they thought he was being "untruthful" in his background. His brother and his best friend were deputies there, and we think it was because of a personality conflict with the background deputy. He was hired by another agency 7 years ago. He has received numerous awards from the chief and was the "2015 Officer of the Year"

      Good luck and don't quit. LASD is hiring, with a focus on veterans.
      LASD Retired
      1978-2011

      NRA Life Member
      CRPA Life Member
      NRA Rifle Instructor
      NRA Shotgun Instructor
      NRA Range Safety Officer
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      • #4
        Spyder
        CGN Contributor
        • Mar 2008
        • 17122

        I agree, keep at it. I believe I applied to over a dozen before getting a few conditional offers all within weeks of each other. Competition and number of applicants are very high. Many people have applied to even more than that. Listen to Ron-Solo, he knows what he's saying.

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        • #5
          esy
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2012
          • 1191

          I agree with the above. Keep at it. Look into possibly sponsoring yourself through an academy. Have someone with experience of sitting in on oral boards or interviews, even, listen to your responses and read your body language as you would normally go through an interview process. It could be something like what Ron-Solo was mentioning and that particular BI didn't like the vibe you were giving off.

          Although they cannot disclose why they chose not to select you or move forward with your application, you can still get an idea from them by asking what area you could work on for future applications. Just a thought.

          Good luck.

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          • #6
            Che762x39
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 4538

            Originally posted by RamathornStache
            ...
            However, the big however, upon discharge (2011) from the military through the med boards, and returning home...there was one usage at my welcome home party. I relay that it was an honest mistake, and severely out of character. I had no direction of where I was going in life after getting out...
            Did you do a 4 year enlistment? Honorable discharge? When Veterans apply for police jobs they do not realize a lot of Veterans apply too. You are competing with Captains and Lieutenants for that job.

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            • #7
              Petro6golf
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 1309

              Dude, you've only applied to four agencies and your giving up now?. I work for a major dept in Nor Cal and am quite successful with what I do. I've applied for easily over 100 agencies and have done interviews with at least 50 plus and backgrounds for at least 20. Ive been failed at the psych and told I was disqualified for a bunch of places. I kept chugging along and got what I wanted after a year of applying. Your not going to get picked up with your first agency. Keep plugging away. If you want it bad enough then you will get it. try one of the crappy college police depts with low standards and lateral after a year or so.

              State law says "no felonies". So if your not a felon then keep on keeping on. Look at it this way, Los Rios College Police hired one of the Oakland Rough Riders after his firing from Oakland. He was on the news and sued for numerous civil rights violations and was eventually fired. If that guy can get hired then you can too.

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