Active Shooter Training and CCW (State Building)

[1CavScout]

My wife works for the state, and had active shooter training today conducted by CHP Officers. She was specifically told by one of the Officers that it was illegal to carry into a state building, even if you have a CCW.

I know it is against policy for the workers to carry, but in my research it does not appear to be a no carry zone for people with CCW's. Any CHP Officers here that know what they are telling other state workers in this training?

If I go to visit here at work, I am not disarming myself.

[Hop Sing]

PC 171B

[CSACANNONEER]

The officer is poorly trained and obviously does not know the laws he has sworn to uphold. While no one can know every law on the books, I would hope that a responsible person would admit to not knowing rather than proving he is an idiot.

171b. (a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or
local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the
public pursuant to Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 54950) of Part
1 of Division 2 of Title 5 of, or Article 9 (commencing with Section
11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of, the
Government Code, any of the following is guilty of a public offense
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one
year, or in the state prison:
(1) Any firearm.
(2) Any deadly weapon described in Section 17235 or in any
provision listed in Section 16590.
(3) Any knife with a blade length in excess of four inches, the
blade of which is fixed or is capable of being fixed in an unguarded
position by the use of one or two hands.
(4) Any unauthorized tear gas weapon.
(5) Any taser or stun gun, as defined in Section 244.5.
(6) Any instrument that expels a metallic projectile, such as a BB
or pellet, through the force of air pressure, CO2 pressure, or
spring action, or any spot marker gun or paint gun.
(b) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to, or affect, any of the
following:
(1) A person who possesses weapons in, or transports weapons into,
a court of law to be used as evidence.
(2) (A) A duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5
(commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a retired peace
officer with authorization to carry concealed weapons as described in
Article 2 (commencing with Section 25450) of Chapter 2 of Division 5
of Title 4 of Part 6, a full-time paid peace officer of another
state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties
while in California, or any person summoned by any of these officers
to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she
is actually engaged in assisting the officer.
(B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), subdivision (a) shall apply
to any person who brings or possesses any weapon specified therein
within any courtroom if he or she is a party to an action pending
before the court.
(3) A person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant
to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of Division 5 of Title
4 of Part 6.
(4) A person who has permission to possess that weapon granted in
writing by a duly authorized official who is in charge of the
security of the state or local government building.
(5) A person who lawfully resides in, lawfully owns, or is in
lawful possession of, that building with respect to those portions of
the building that are not owned or leased by the state or local
government.
(6) A person licensed or registered in accordance with, and acting
within the course and scope of, Chapter 11.5 (commencing with
Section 7512) or Chapter 11.6 (commencing with Section 7590) of
Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code who has been hired by
the owner or manager of the building if the person has permission
pursuant to paragraph (5).
(7) (A) A person who, for the purpose of sale or trade, brings any
weapon that may otherwise be lawfully transferred, into a gun show
conducted pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 27200) and
Article 2 (commencing with Section 27300) of Chapter 3 of Division 6
of Title 4 of Part 6.
(B) A person who, for purposes of an authorized public exhibition,
brings any weapon that may otherwise be lawfully possessed, into a
gun show conducted pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section
27200) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 27300) of Chapter 3 of
Division 6 of Title 4 of Part 6.
(c) As used in this section, "state or local public building"
means a building that meets all of the following criteria:
(1) It is a building or part of a building owned or leased by the
state or local government, if state or local public employees are
regularly present for the purposes of performing their official
duties. A state or local public building includes, but is not limited
to, a building that contains a courtroom.
(2) It is not a building or facility, or a part thereof, that is
referred to in Section 171c, 171d, 626.9, 626.95, or 626.10 of this
code, or in Section 18544 of the Elections Code.
(3) It is a building not regularly used, and not intended to be
used, by state or local employees as a place of residence.

[1CavScout]

PC 171B

I know as a retired peace officer with a CCW I am exempt from that section, and it appears that other CCW holders might also be exempt. That was the first section I looked up when she told me this. I asked her if he gave her a penal code section, and she said he did not.

[1CavScout]

The officer is poorly trained and obviously does not know the laws he has sworn to uphold. While no one can know every law on the books, I would hope that a responsible person would admit to not knowing rather than proving he is an idiot.

Yep, it appears to me that he was mistaken.

[sawman]

May be someone can help me out . Went to the DMV a month ago looked for any signs about CCW into the building did not see any. I was carrying concealed I completed my business with the usual delays and was on my way . Had to go back this week and there was a sign at the receptionist desk that said it was prohibited to carry in the building even if you had a CCW permit and it was a felony . This scared the xxxx out of me because I did not know if this was something new or if on my previous visit someone had taken the sign down and I was committing at felony without knowing it . Any thoughts

[RangerJoe]

Tell your wife to get a job elsewhere. Obviously they are planning a future shooting at this building...

[CSACANNONEER]

May be someone can help me out . Went to the DMV a month ago looked for any signs about CCW into the building did not see any. I was carrying concealed I completed my business with the usual delays and was on my way . Had to go back this week and there was a sign at the receptionist desk that said it was prohibited to carry in the building even if you had a CCW permit and it was a felony . This scared the xxxx out of me because I did not know if this was something new or if on my previous visit someone had taken the sign down and I was committing at felony without knowing it . Any thoughts

Can you post a picture of the sign? Did it cite any PC? There could be a local Ord. What city and/or county was this in?

[Cokebottle]

May be someone can help me out . Went to the DMV a month ago looked for any signs about CCW into the building did not see any. I was carrying concealed I completed my business with the usual delays and was on my way . Had to go back this week and there was a sign at the receptionist desk that said it was prohibited to carry in the building even if you had a CCW permit and it was a felony . This scared the xxxx out of me because I did not know if this was something new or if on my previous visit someone had taken the sign down and I was committing at felony without knowing it . Any thoughts

Not a felony as long as it is not a federal building occupied by federal employees, or post office property (even the parking lot).

But they are within their legal right to prohibit carry.
The penalty is trespassing if you refuse to leave or remove the weapon from the property.

Also, a sign at the reception desk (within the building) is not sufficient notice... it needs to be at the door or entrance to the property.

Was this a state-printed/laminated sign, or something they did on the inkjet?

[Cokebottle]

Can you post a picture of the sign? Did it cite any PC? There could be a local Ord. What city and/or county was this in?

Local ordinance could not be more than misdo.

[sawman]

It was in Manteca in San Joaquin county . It appeared to be state issued sign good quality of print and construction it gave penal code numbers or some other code number I did not get them . Did not want to bring attention to my self by taking a pic the security people there seem to take them selves a little to seriously .What got me was there was no sign on door and you only saw it after you entered the building and had waited in line to get to the receptionist desk.

[Cokebottle]

I'd go back.
Act like you are texting someone while tapping in the cited PC.

It's probably 171b, which as we see above, does not apply.
The thing is the exemption is buried under 171B(b)(3).

Probably not a bad idea for all of us to print and laminate this section, with the bolded sections above, and keep it in our wallets.

[CSACANNONEER]

It was in Manteca in San Joaquin county . It appeared to be state issued sign good quality of print and construction it gave penal code numbers or some other code number I did not get them . Did not want to bring attention to my self by taking a pic the security people there seem to take them selves a little to seriously .What got me was there was no sign on door and you only saw it after you entered the building and had waited in line to get to the receptionist desk.

It's probably a sign that some moron made who doesn't know or understand the law. But, I'd still like to know what law(s) it cited. If I get a chance, I'll stop by my local DMV and see if I can find a similar sign.

[sawman]

Like I said wasn't there a month ago but it was an official looking sign not something that was made on site .If I have the misfortune to have to go back I will get a pic . The problem is you have to stand in line for a long time just to get In the door . And i think I would rather go to my dentist for a rout canal then go back to the DMV

[CSACANNONEER]

Here's a bad pic I snapped on my way into my local DMV. I did not see any signs inside. Since it only references PC 171 (b), it does not apply to certain people including those with valid CA CCWs.